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- Jul 25 2006
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The time is NOW!
I’m opening up the doors to everyone who didn’t have enough time to take part in my original exclusive coaching program.
There is an odd sense of peace around the office. It’s the calm before the storm.
Hurry to: http://www.strategicprofits.com/system/
…before your seat is taken.
Oh, one more thing…
I had someone email me and complain about what they perceive as ‘hype’ and even accused me of creating false scarcity.
If you think the lines we not JAMMED last night, call Voicetext and ask. If you think our server didn’t OVERLOAD last time went live, call EV1 servers, and ask. If you think we didn’t SELL OUT in 2 hours and 14 minutes last time, call 1shoppingcart.
Yes, there IS excitement, but it’s not being created as if this were a Hollywood set…
It’s being created by thousands of entrepreneurs who are finally serious about building their business.
And I’m PROUD to be a part of it.
Rich Schefren
UPDATE: Todd, the Winner of 60 Minute Makeover, decided to produce a short video thanking me for giving him a few ideas that will “double his business” over the next year. Thanks Todd, and I hope to see your business prosper!
Listen to what Todd had to say on his website:
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76 Comments to “The Doors Are Open!”
Hi Rich … i really enjoyed your manifesto, video and teleconference. This is great stuff you are talking about and I am sure that this is very valueable information you want to give us in the elite coaching program. But hey … are you serious $400 a month you must be joking. The best joke are the words “for only affordable $397 a month”. Hey have you already thought about people who a serious about their business, people who are a LITLLE successful already … maybe earning 1500 dollars a month with their “internet-business”. And with that money they must pay all their bills, feed family etc.! those people are looking for help which shows them how they the can get more for working a little less. But such a price, 400 a month does not work in any way.
This feels like getting ripped off. Not everybody is as rich as you are. For you 400 is a small number but for a big number of people 400 means a lot more.
Sorry Rich i hope i did not get rude … but i just had to write this since you said in your first manifesto that you want to help people. And i think you miss the people who realy need help when you offer your program for such a price.
But hey lets gets the rich richer.
Greetings
Maxi
Maxi,
We state on the offer…
“Even though this is a fraction of what my full Coaching Group is paying, I still want to make sure you can really afford to be in the program. If the choice is the program or buying your kids clothing for the school year, I hope you’ll choose to take care of your family.”
We understand that $397 per month is a lot of money for some people.
This is a program for people who are serious about building their business. If $397 is too much to spend on your business, then you are not at the right place to be able to take full advantage of the program.
There will be other products and programs in the future that may be more suitable for you. Please stay tuned until then.
Warm Regards,
Dan Caron
Strategic Profits
Looks like another great product launch. Bravo!!!
Well, this really isn’t a fraction of the cost of the elite coaching program. The elite program sold for $4997 and this is $4764. The only difference is this program is spread out over 12 months.
It’s alot for me since I’m just starting out and can’t afford the monthly fee out of my own pocket.
Maxi, I wouldn’t give up hope just yet. My gut tells me Rich will release the program for sale once he finishes refining it. We just might have to wait a while before we get it.
– Doug
Doug, I agree. Rich can’t walk away from this just yet. There is too much money to be made so expect to see him diversify the product line.
Rich, I know alot of people are asking themselves who may not be earning 1k or maybe not anything, many see this as the way to go but with setting up a team what can people this use to leaverge other peoples skills other than money that they do not have to spare at the time. Myself I really want to get into this because I see what your program brings to the table strategy wise but is it going to be useful for someone like me right now since I don’t have the capital to pay outsource teams at this time? Thanks for any answer you can give at this time.
Hi Rich,
Can you provide a list of book references and resources for those of us that want to learn more about what you teach but just can’t make it into the program?
Thanks!
You gotta love Rich. Here he is showing us exactly how to generate HUGH INCOME basically using email and a blog site. Wow. Wouldn’t YOU love to duplicate his latest OFFER, I know I would. Let’s see, he’s offering the first 1,000 people the opportunity to receive a monthly coaching package for only $397 a month. That would net him $397,000 a month for a year!!! His site shows that he’s already got over 250 people signed up so he’s already reached 100,000 a month. And the best part is he can do this from pretty much from anywhere in the world. The other best part is he’s pretty much showed us all exactly how he’s accomplishing this feat. Just recreate the methodology presented in your area of expertise and you’ve got a good chance of duplicating this phenominal internet business response that Rich is showing us in real time. Does anyone else get this? I’d like to know what you think - email me at drted@chiroted.com.
I also don’t find this program cheaper than the proper one on one coaching at $5K.
$400/month for teleseminars. That’s rich. Pardon the pun.
The manifesto and missing chapter and the video were good but this last call was just a telethon. You could hear the dollars in Rich’s voice - as pointed out above we are talking about a $5 million payday if all goes well.
No wonder there was a tremor in Rich’s normally steady voice.
Conclusion: this part (not the $5,000 mentorships) is a cash grab.
“I had someone email me and complain about what they perceive as ‘hype’ and even accused me of creating false scarcity.”
Don’t take on other people BS Rich. You’ve given out a ton of great info in the last month. I’ve benefitted greatly…if it looks like hype to some then so be it…let them keep their jobs or malfunctioning companies.
I think that even without paying you a dime, there is enough solid business information in the Conference Call from last night to help me tremendously.
Thank you very much,
Jon
Wow! Wish I had read these comments before I signed up. I tried to get the coaching program but was shut out and never got to find out the price. $5,000 is a lot of money but seems worth it when you get personal one-on-one coaching from the master with it.
Why should I pay only $236. less ($5,000-$4,764.=$236.) and get NO personal coaching? I think I better cancel this so-called “great deal” before it starts.
How much more money do you need, Rich? If you really want to help us little people just starting out, couldn’t you see your way clear to charging something like $197.? That’s still almost $200,000. a month from 1,000 people?
This price makes no sense compared to your real mentorship program. But what a great marketing lesson for us all. I hope someday to get my customers to fall for something as outlandish as this. Yep, you are a master. Congratulations.
Rich,
Thanks for all the great content it has been useful. However the $400/month is just a little to steep for me right now even though your concepts are top notch and I want to learn more, if it was $250 I would have gotten in because then I could have still did some outsourcing. Hey but you have to feed the hungry market and they will pay not to be left out. I’ll be at the point one day to be able to get into this program.
The comments I’ve just read surprise me a little bit. I went to the web site as soon as it was given. I too, find $464 CDN per month a bit steep. However, I do have a bit of wiggle room financially. I will be charging the fees to my credit card. How am I justifying paying that amount?
The information I’ve received in the Manifesto, Missing Chapter and the video have been so valuable, I am convinced this year-long program is going to make the difference in my business that I’ve been searching for. The gurus, like Jim Edwards, say Rich’s coaching has made tremendous leaps in income along with tremendous decreases in time spent, possible.
With Rich’s help and expert information, I am determined to do the work and take the actions that will enable me to easily make those payments every month and come out on top at the other end.
The definition of insanity is doing the same things you’ve always done and expecting different results. I’ve been struggling to make my business work for eight years now, and it’s time to do something different.
I’ve seen offers for coaching from some other BIG names who are looking for $10,000 or more for less of a coaching program. I’ve turned them down.
If Rich’s program can help me reach my business goals within this coming 12 months, the $464 per month will be WELL worth it!!
Another clincher for me is that I can leave the program at any time. If I find that I’m not continuing to receive the value I’ve come to expect from Rich, I can cut my losses at any time.
In my opinion, this is a calculated risk I am only too happy to take. If Rich has “given” me what I’ve already received, how much more will I receive now that I’m paying? I am confident Rich is going to OVER DELIVER for the fee just like he has for free!
One last thought…many experts say people do not put effort in unless they have made a significant commitment. I believe this is true. $464 per month (Canadian) is a big commitment for me, too. And it’s a commitment I’m taking very seriously. If the commitment were less would I take it as seriously and put a full effort in? I’m not sure…
Instead of complaining people that you CAN NOT afford it find a way to create the extra $400 a month and join! Some people are so small minded - Instead of smoking daily or drinking coffee from starbucks or going out to party on the weekends or out to enat all of the time or buying crap you do not need you could be investing in your future but instead you rip on the guy who is willing to help you? Small minded peole frustrate the @#$% out of me!
Take your big payday Rich you deserve it!
Robert - Minneaota
Yes, Robert, instead of enjoying life and its small pleasures (like eating out or good coffee), one could instead be giving everything to the great leader.
No doubt in his munificence he will spend and invest the money more wisely than we in any case.
In earth as in heaven…
__________
I repeat Rich, the Manifesto and the video presentation are very good stuff and valuable to me personally. I was getting to many of those places without exposure to your ideas through working through some others ideas (Dan Kennedy, J. Paul Getty and Richard Branson to name a few).
Thanks very much for the video presentation and the outline.
But Robert’s remarks move us from far from marketing ideas and deep into the scary realm of the cult.
Ruby’s point on the other hand, make quite a bit of sense. Pay for your first month, decide about the value, you’re free to leave at any time.
1 x $400 is not a huge risk.
Re Homestudy course. I have put together several homestudy courses for mu students with excellent results. You have a page with faq answered and limit queries to a small number per client. You have all the info required and could market for reasonable $$’s.You simply need it whipped into a format for homestudy. Big bucks there for you. Want a partnership?? Sylvia
What I love about this whole process is that it’s perfectly self-selecting. The losers complain about the price or focus on how much someone else is making not on how much they would make if they stopped whining and went to work. They don’t recognize the bargain of the century so why should they want to sign up? Not everyone is destined to succeed at business.
Adrian, bargain of the century are all of Dan Kennedy’s No BS books at $10/piece. Or Think and Grow Rich at $5/paperback. Or J.Paul Getty’s How to be Rich at $6. Or Richard Branson’s Losing My Virginity at $9.
Rich Schefren is a bright guy and a good teacher but he doesn’t outhit Napoleon Hill, J. Paul Getty, Dan Kennedy and Richard Branson.
Even $400 is enough to buy you an outstanding library of the best business books of all time.
People are getting carried away here. The personal coaching offered a lot to the right people but to put it bluntly people are paying a lot for packaging on the teleseminars.l
I would estimate my business library to be in the $5000 value bracket. I’ve read hundreds of books and while most of them have provided value, I have not received the value of what I expect to get from Rich’s package. And from where I stand it is a package.
Yes, he’s offering teleseminars. But he’s also offering a “help and be helped” forum. My experience tells me such forums comprised of like minded people can be a gold mine.
He’s also offering written materials and from what I’ve experienced, they’re a heck of a lot different that the books I’ve come across.
On top of that, he’s offering Q&A periods where we can get ALL of our questions answered. I really like that idea. I often get a lot from the questions of others and you don’t get that when you’re one-on-one with a coach.
I expect to benefit from the members of Rich’s elite coaching group as well as from this group.
I’m afraid I have to agree with S.C. Adrian. (See 2 comments above) I’m very happy to be included in this group and I can hardly WAIT to get started!
my comments are to Ivv
Napolean Hill, the author of Think And Grow Rich died penniless (watch Rich\’s video) J. Paul Getty never left everyone with a systemized version of what he did, Dan kennedy\’s coaching programs are in excess of 15k, and Richard Branson has written a good book but I really don\’t see how you can compare it to a years worth of content. The results speak for themselves - Rich has done it, and he\’s helped lots of other people do it. I am convinced that the program will be alot more than packaged teleseminars. But hey, if you can have the level of success that Rich and his clients have had, by buying a few book - go at it.
I know that a lot of \”gurus\” have signed up for his course personally and that when Rich launches his next product - whatever it is, I wouldn\’t be surprised to see a long list of the whose who of the internet give him glowing testimonials as clients. Just look at what Rich has even done on this launch - the way I figure it in less than 24 hours of actuall selling time he\’s taken in 3 million dollars - not too shabby, and I would imagine that he got this type of result based on the principles he teaches and has already shared with us: Stick to your strengths, remain focused, plan out your marketing, recruit top talent, etc…
I for one am really looking forward to the program and I think there are lots of people out there that wouldn\’t be happy unless it is free.
Also, comparing the systemized version of $397 a month to $5,000 up front, or 3 monthly payments of $2,000 I think is very unfair to Rich. He needs to be selective about his personal time and obviously the people who can pay the money faster have bigger resources and can act faster on his advice - so to me it makes sense that he would give those people priority to his one on one calls.
Anyway, that\’s my two cents. I think there lots of jealousy out there and actually I have been surprised at how little Rich has been attacked compared to almost every other well known personality out there. I have yet to hear one bad thing from someone he\’s worked with - which I find quite remarkable.
Good luck all - and I look forward to sharing my spectacular results with the world!!!
oh yeah - one last thing - what about the two seminars that Rich is teaching - can you imagine a couple of days comparable to the hour and half video, it should be mind blowing. And what about the private forum, and the Q+A calls, I think some people are so short-sighted.
I would take a look at the ROI of my investments.. If this promise to give me ‘acceptable’ return rates I’d make sure that this is affordable.
He who hears knows, he who reads remembers, he who does understands. That’s my 2 cents on the personal coaching subject.
I think many people are seeing their glass as half empty. You are not being asked to commit $4764 today. It is a monthly subscription and if you are not getting value at month x then you stop. Anyone who has paid $4764 will have gotten good value.
Anyone who has stopped before then would have gotten good value up to that point. So no one should be disappointed and there’s no risk, other than the opportunity cost of what you might have been able to do with the money instead.
On that note I haven’t seen any internet marketing consultant with Rich’s track record or credentials, so if you’re not going to invest in having Rich help you then tell us what are you going to do? Try see it this way.
To be honest: On first thought it seems stupid when people complain about the investment for the program. But when I think about it , I’m not surprised that this happens. They are a victim of a misconception about internet marketing. Somehow people came to believe that the internet is a place where you can start a business earning tens and hundreds of thousands without investing one single dollar. Some even expect they can grow a business using free webhosting. Folks, that approach is deadwrong . If you want to build a serious business you have to invest money, you need some capital to start. You have to have professional software for some core activities and you need to buy appropriate information on how to run the business. Isn’t it just common sense that you can’t build something out of nothing? Invest zero and expect great rewards? People who think Rich should give away his knowledge for less obviously have no understanding of its importance. And they also have no idea of the years of research and work that were done before such a strategic system can be tought. Stop dreaming, and stop spending less money on your business than on your hobbies. Take a look at the offline world to get an idea about being an entrepreneur…
And even if you can’t afford Richs Programm, you may want to thank him for all the stuff that he gave away free. I read and listened to the material several times taking notes AND TAKING ACTION on it. This alone can bring your business to a new level.
Well said Rich,
Would have jumped in on your personal mentoring but missed out because I didnt plan well enough.
But never mind first thing I did was secure a spot in your upcomming monthly membership.
Certainly looking forward to getting right into it and seeing how we can improve our business runnings.
Regards
Marc Lindsay & Daniel Turner
http://www.plrpro.com
Just been reading some of the above comments too.
You guys have to be kidding right?
$397 too expensive for this course, then you are not looking at it in the right way.
Sure I can understand maybe some of the newer IM’ers or those earning say less then $5k a month.
But this has got to be one of the most valuable deals I have seen around.
You need to look at this from an investment point of view. After goung through the manifesto and seeing Rich’s track record this can bring some extrodinary wealth to those that are willing to work for it.
I can only imagine the ammount of time, effort and money this is going to save us.
Not to mention the exploded growth of our business.
Remember what you do on the Internet should always be approached from a business point of view.
If you have a business, have a stable income and want to move to the next level.
Well the decission is a real no-brainer.
Onwards & Upwards
Marc Lindsay & Daniel Turner
http://www.plrpro.com
Listen to Rich’s advice. Bottom line is if you can afford it then you should do it but if it’s going to stress you out financially then don’t.
I’ll go out on a limb here but most people who are signing up are already running a business that is pulling in some money each month. $397 is probably something the business can afford and is considered a wise investment.
I think alot of the comments about the price are from people who are just starting out and need a relatively inexpensive way to start getting money in the door. When you look at it from that perspective then the price becomes a big factor.
For those who cannot yet make it into the program DONT WORRY. Rich will come out with a more affordable solution. Only a fool would leave money on the table and Rich is far from a fool.
Keep in mind for every 10 people he has helped there have been 1000 who have built a successful business without his guidance. This coaching program is a business just like anything else and despite Rich’s good intentions he is in this game to make money… and he’s already set to make millions off this one.
– Randy
As Randy stated.
More or less if you want it bad enough this membership sure will help you alot but if you can’t afford it and have a strong desire.
You will make it anyway.
All the help in the world wont do anything if you are not willing to put in the hard work and trust me its not easy work.
Sure you can look back on it and go that wasnt so bad but heck I still manage to do between 100 and 110 hours of work a week.
By the same token I am frantically setting up systems and what not so that as much of that time is super-productive work.
Regards
Marc Lindsay
Folks when I have written the first post which probably started a big discussion I didn’t want to complain… I just wanted to open eyes … Rich said he doesn’t like to see how people fail in internet and that is why he started to write the manifesto because he wants to help etc.
This is nice and I am sure a lot of people jumped into and downloaded the manifesto because that was something they really needed … a nice report for free and the report was good … people loved it, so did I … and we really thought … wow that rich is a nice he really wants to help people. Even better was the missing chapter and the video. People continued reading Richs stuff because it is useful. But then BOOM … the whole thing showed the real face -> a great product launch getting the attention from lot of people because many have watched the free stuff etc. … Many people (inclusive me) now saw that this was not only about helping people … no it was BUSINESS … about launching a product to sell as much as possible to make as much profit as possible. The issue I do not like to see how people fail is forgotten completely because somebody who can invest 400 or the 5000 without even thinking about … well I am sure they are pretty successful already (they do not have to mind about failing) … but people who really need help … they are left on the table. See I do not want to say sth. bad about Rich … he probably is a nice guy .. I just wanted to say … he has missed the point … helping people not to fail. Coming to another point I have read people say … you are complaining … you are looser etc. – you can not say that … many people out here are working hard all day and making some money … they are no looser… many of them are responsible for many things … taking care of family etc. and if there is not lots of money on the table which can be played with … well then 400 is a lot. But we are no looser for that.
And well have you thought about people from china, they are hard working all day and $120 a month … yes it is their salary … and they are no looser neither. So please think about what you say before writing such arrogant things in this blog.
Oh one more thing to the people who say I am a looser because I can not afford 400 because I take care for other things too (no not spending money on hobbies) paying bills (host, power, water, food etc.) and being responsible for family … if I would be looser then I would sit in the corner with a beer can in my hands instead of taking care of my family and trying to build a successful internet business.
That said I really hope now … that people opened their eyes!
Sorry for any grammar and spelling mistakes but English is not my native language.
Greetings
Maxi
This is an interesting discussion with many perspectives, but I think the numbers will tell all.
As of now, with about 1 hour to go, there are still 632 places available, which is a very different result to the initial elite coaching offer that was sold out in 2 hours and 14 minutes.
Why are there so many places still left?
Personally, I think the price of the monthly program is too high simply because of the price of the elite coaching already offered. A cursory calculation reveals the true cost of the monthly program as $4764 - which is basically the same as the personal coaching program, but without the personal coaching.
If the monthly program was say, half the price of the elite coaching, I suspect there would have been more of a take up. That would make the monthly cost about $200 (we know that $197 works very well) which is much more justifiable, certainly to me.
I’ll be looking out for further releases from Rich. I can’t believe he’ll be content with the response he’s received to this monthly course. This had the potential for earning him four and three quarter million whereas at the moment he’s looking to make just under one and a half million from it.
Let’s see what he comes up with…
Actually there were 25 hours left when you checked… (You missed the 1 day in the counter)
With the price that Rich has set for the program, he’s only going to get people that can already afford it - meaning they are already succesful in their businesses. The problem that these people have is often they’re doing everythng themselves, and not according to a system…
The problem the rest of us face, is that this program is going to change the face of the internet.
What Rich is doing with this program is to allow people that were limited by themselves, to suddenly become unlimited in what they’re doing. The internet is going to become a smaller place…
Even if Rich releases a cheaper program, it might already be to late for the rest of us.
Maxi,
You seem very analytical and intelligent. However, you are coming from a place of scarcity. Do not focus on your fears or they will become reality.
Not every person that has joined Rich’s coaching can “afford” it as per your logic, but it holds enough value for them to make it happen anyway. It is within every person’s power to create their own reality.
Also, this 12-month coaching course is different from his other course; it is not wise to compare apples to oranges. Rich also takes a risk in developing this course as every person could quit after the first month. Obviously, he will need to present at least the price value each and every month to maintain his clients. Based upon what he has given so far, why would you doubt this?
And then there is the classic “just read the book” arguement…
It is similar to attending a university as opposed to just reading the text books from the university. What is the main difference in the education acquired from at the University instead of just reading the books: Access to the teachers and other students. I don’t think I need to elaborate on this, but here is one reason why this difference is crucial: If you are reading the textbook and you have a question, you may need the teacher to answer it in order for you to gain full understanding. I have a single question that I need to ask Rich–if this question is answered to my understanding it will be worth more than 10x the price of his course…
Gerard,
Let go of your fear and abundance will flow to you.
Hi guys,
Peter Tremayne here from the UK.
I have read these replies and can sympathise and relate to most of them. I too am aprehensive about investing over £200 pounds a month on ‘common sense’.
The way I see this coaching course is this:
I left my secure job (armed forces) to persue (an internet based business). I didn’t know exactly what, but I knew an internet business was what I was looking for. Own boss, more free time etc.
Rich’s course is designed to help anyone start or improve their current business. He has a proven track record and has already produced some quite amazing reports.
Now I want to build a business, not a few websites producing a few hundred dollars a month.
I have decided what my business will be and now want to crack on. There is absolutely nothing that I have seen on the internet or my local business help centres, bank managers, small business advisors etc. that offers the type of specific help and guidance that Rich Shefren can offer.
Perhaps we need to stop looking at how much Rich is going to make from this and look at ‘what’s in it for me?’
If you intend to invest your money with this (and I know it’s just too much for the majority of people), then you have to decide EXACTLY what you want at the end of it. This is a big, life changing decision - treat it as such. I know precisely what my goals are and what my business will look like. If you don’t have the same vision with your business, then I wouldn’t recommend you join this course.
If you do know what you want “what you really, really want”, then this could be the best money you’ve ever invested. You will be learning from the very best in the business, that’s why he can charge $400 a month.
I have started a blog to track my ‘brand new’ business journey. http://petertremayne.blogspot.com/
To The Top!
Peter
We can all speculate as to the rationale for the pricing. Here’s mine: what if Rich’s intention was to attract as close to the same caliber of candidates as he had gotten with the first release by setting a very similar total cost, and considered offering risk-free installments as his compromise and willingness to assist those who are serious.
People keep stating that Rich is no fool. If that is true, he would be sophisticated enough to know that he chooses with whom he works. Through the internet, and without the time it would take to screen applicants, it would logically be price that would do the screening.
Personally, without the option of visiting one-on-one with Rich, I intend to carefully craft meaty questions and make full use of the Q & A calls. I am taking the “however long the call takes” statement at face value!
Also, the pricing is not personal. It just is what it is. I can guarantee that there are people who have signed up who unconsciously have no true intention of implementing 90% of Rich’s material. And that is not personal slam to Rich’s worth either.
Moving out of opportunism doesn’t happen overnight. With experience, the feelings of desperation subside as wisdom takes over.
I am happy to have the opportunity to use an installment approach. It suits my cash flow better. Lez do it!
Yeah, 1 day - not 1 hour. Oops.
I’m just wondering whether we’ll see a gradual eating up of the remaining spaces over the next 20 hours, or a sudden last minute rush as the news gets out to affiliates and their mailing lists.
In any event, I’m witnessing a brilliant product launch and I’m learning a lot from it. I suspect it’s classic Jeff Walker Product Launch Formula, and if Jeff isn’t directly involved he sure as hell had a huge influence on it.
I wonder where we’ll first see the statement “I made $750,000 in 2 hours and 14 minutes!” I bet it’s on Jeff Walker’s sales page.
It’s great stuff, wish I was “serious enough” to be in the game…
I think most of us, including myself (until now), miss the point. The point is you shouldn’t take an opportunistic approach to Rich’s coaching offers. It should be within your strategic plans of your business.
If someone signs up and wish to get the golden key to the ultimate business building system, I feel it’s not there yet. It’s like what Rich says in his manifesto, you’re thinking opportunistic.
Instead, why don’t for those for us (like myself) who couldn’t afford at this point in time, take a gratitude approach and seriously through critical thinking and studying whatever resources that Mr Schefren had given for free.
I deeply believe there are some hidden and apparent principle which Rich is trying to tell us in his Manifesto/Missing chapter already. We should use it with great benefits.
Thank you, Rich!
Most of the principles that he speaks of are taught by the true business authors such as drucker, michael porter, etc. you can go to amazon.com and search for them and find the materials. I think what rich has done is creating a shortcut for fast implementation.
Luckily I can afford the coaching club but I was also at one time starting out with very little money. Back then I was trying to learn Dan Kennedy and did not have the money for his courses. So I did what I could and bought his books at wwww.amazon.com and whatever I could afford.
Don’t dwell on the fact that Rich is making a ton of money off this. It’s his right! He has spent a ton of time and money getting to his level and he should not give away his informaiton (i would not).
I also believe that there is greater value than the 5k Club since you are able to stay as long as you continue to pay. At worse if you signed up and you just listend to the calls from the 5k club and then left then you spent a lot less money! Based on what he has delivered so far I am willing to bet that many (including myself) will stick around long after the 5k club is over. The forum will also be a great place to meet people and share ideas with like minded people.
When I started my online business a few years ago I had little money and time just like most people who start out.
I invested a lot of money (at least to me it was) in the best business materials I could fine.
There were other coaching programs and seminars I couldn’t afford. But I never got upset with people putting them on because they were making too much money. I just learned what I could and planned to someday be that successful.
I worked and built up my business so that now I can take Riches coaching. If you can’t afford it means you aren’t ready for it. He has already given you a great amount of free material. Use it and build your own business.
The ones who cry and moan about how unfair things are will never be successful. Now one owes you anything. You need to earn it.
When I started my online business a few years ago I had little money and time just like most people who start out.
I invested a lot of money (at least to me it was) in the best business materials I could fine. I bought Dan Kenedy books (cheap and great information) There were other coaching programs and seminars I couldn’t afford. But I never got upset with people putting them on because they were making too much money. I just learned what I could and planned to someday be that successful.
I worked and built up my business so that now I can take Riches coaching. If you can’t afford it means you aren’t ready for it. He has already given you a great amount of free material. Use it and build your own business.
The ones who cry and moan about how unfair things are will never be successful. Now one owes you anything. You need to earn it.
Well, as much as I would LOVE to sign up, 400.00 a month is a bit steep for someone hoping to start a new business. Bummer. have fun
I think this is an interesting but somewhat unsurprising discussion. As a predominantly offline marketer, it’s fascinating to observe the marketing of people like Rich, Joe Vitale, Yanik Silver and others, and I think they have an enormous amount to contribute from what they know and actively do in successfully feeding a hungry market. And I am very happy to say the manifesto and missing chapter were “gold dust” pieces that were well worth the read. I’ll be watching to video soon too. Having not seen the coaching program sales offer (2:30am in Australia) — and knowing now the pricing difference between the two offers, the price reluctance to spend nearly that much money seems like a fair assumption. As for me, it’s not something I’d be spending money on. I see from the page there were over 32,000 wanting to know more, over 4,500 on the mailing list and 1.3 million to get emails — of which I received at least 3 JV emails — yet it’s still a big ask to get to 400 subscribers.
I wonder how different the signup rate would have been with a full “risk-reversal” guarantee on the program. As it is, the “risk” is month-to-month, but with no guarantee, and that surprises me. Even when I spent more than $20k (incl travel/accom) on various Tony Robbins programs over 12 months, each component had its own guarantees.
How much time do you have Rich, 150 people one on one, even if you spent 1 hour a month with them that’s nearly 40 hours per week and you have a full time committment to your new association and family etc etc. And what about the other 1000 people you are charging $5000 a year to coach, do the math and the 1000 will be palmed off to your asistants for sure. I like the stuff you put out but $5000 for what I would call common sense in a distance learning program is a bit rich in any one language. I think the people who signed up musn’t have much common sense to need yours for that price. How much do you want to earn?
Hi all,
We have to admit it’s been a great eye-open internet event ever no matter how we view the price tag and his program differently.
Not to offensive, I just wonder what exact of track of record that Rich has. Besides what he mentioned in his “About” page, I don’t see/google any real offline/online business name associated with him for reference. (Yeah, he’d done some seminars with those popular/typical internet marketing gurus.) Helping failed offline clothing company? Give us the name to look up. There are still some real differences between working offline and online business. I believe more will join the program once we could see some proofs.
Yet he has been working online for just a couple of years and he learnt so well. Because he stopped and analyzed the current mass of adsense, article, blog, copyright, doorway page, email list, ebooks, seo & other b.s. from a strategic view, and found out there are NEEDS in the market for strategic management. (No wonder not many sales of those strategy management books at the Amazon or Ebay :)) The need is for the riches “on” their businesses not “in” or who just has the much capital to put on internet biz; and the need for the middle class who still couldn’t see the whole picture and really want to put the puzzles together and grow more; and the need for the beginner, blue collar, the poor, who are eager to learn especially there is a built-in step by step grow system waiting. (Hey maxi, there are Chinese people in the urban area making less than $120 a year. And other corners of the world? That’s beside the business point though.)
It doesn’t matter how Rich explained on systemic and opportunitism. He’s big on this OPPORTUNITY. Of course, he didn’t rush to have that kind of doorway website set up. He well planned the system ahead to capture the fruit –
First, 150 the hungriest rich men rush to throw in 750k in that short amount of time (marketing wise). Second, he’s taking over at least 160k (at this time I post) per month from the middle class. Yes, that’s the meat. Don’t you get it? He has called the page “system”. It’s on monthly basis. So he has to strike to get the life time value from these customers. Why bother to server 1000 customer with $197 each while you can only deal with 500 with $397? Got it? Indeed, Rich just reminds me he’s the one (or whoever he’s working with to plan out this) real master of business math. It’s simple of demand and supply theory in action. For that, I salute you as former Marine to the “best of best”, not that “try to be your best” Army crap. The third (marketing) wave is coming and should be interest to watch or play without doubt.
Although Rich has quite caught the internet fishes during this operation, he has miss one area, which I am working on and waiting for his email to further detail on that part if he really want his enterprise built up and for long run. Lastly, don’t you have fun about this blog, the internet biz?
Truly enjoy,
Shawn
NewIT.us
If I’d paid $2000 for what’s been given so far for free, I wouldn’t be asking for a refund. Its a better free package than people are charging way, way more for.
I think the offers been pitched so that they get exactly the people they want and the follow up offer is only there because so many people didn’t get on the first program.
A big part of me said I couldn’t afford to sign up but a much bigger part of me said get the credit card out and do it. And somehow I don’t think I’ll be regretting the decision I made.
Rich, I pinged Brad Fallon about you and he said you were great! That’s all I need to know. Since you already know that Brad is the best of the best at internet marketing it only makes sense to listen when he gives you high regards. We are looking forward to your personal coaching.
Thanks for all the great information. Especially enjoyed the resources.
I’d be stoked to see some more of the resources you use to make your life easier.
Cheers,
jack
Rich, I’m looking forward to learning more. I know Hans and Dani Johnson, and I’ve watched their business explode over the past year. To find out that you were their mentor put a huge stamp of credibility on what was already obvious to me.
To those who are focused on the cost, this really isn’t the program for you. If you can’t afford the luxury class training, enjoy and say thanks over the free stuff. Use it and grow so you can afford the next luxury stuff that’s sure to come around.
Years ago I heard a speaker say “work with the deserving, not the needy.”
At the time, I felt needy, so that sounded confusing and cruel to me. But, I got it. Some people who truly “need” help just don’t want to work for it or pay for it, and, therefore, they don’t “deserve” it. You can
be both needy and deserving - if you apply yourself, use what you’re taught, are coachable.
One can’t help everyone, so the wise person chooses to help those who deserve his time and attention.
Trying to help someone who focuses on the negative usually results in two unhappy people.
Fast forward to another speaker who said “The quality of the life you’re living depends on what you’ve been saying.” Say good things
I know I expect to hear good things!
Take responsibility guys. No one will make you rich. No matter how much money you send them.
The danger here is those who sign up will now have a reason to wait until they get the answers before taking responsibility, and taking action.
98% of businesses fail inside 125 years (going through 2 recession cycles)
80% plus of people who buy information do nothing with it.
Rich’s information is no doubt top notch, but the key issue is not about the price, or even about the information. It’s about you.
This has been very instructional, and has moved the whole selling shovels thing to another level. But once you’ve bought the shovel, you still have to do the digging.
Now watch out for lots of look-a-like products from the proteges!
For all the whinners and whingers take a good look at yourself and stand back a see the big picture.
Sure - the one-one coaching element went for under $5,000. The teleseminar option is going out at $397/month for 12 months.
The question to really ask is what is the VALUE being delivered. As he’s worked with successful people online the value is going to be way over $5000 either way.
If you’re currently broke take a look at how Rich and his team have marketed this launch. It’s been done really well.
Sure ‘only’ half of the 1,000 spots have gone for the teleseminar option at $397/month.
Why on earth would he drop the price to say $197 to ensure it sells out? His company will end up dealing with 1,000 people instead of 500.
Plus, he can now get ready for the launch of another product with a lower price point (if this isn’t in the pipeline already).
See? So now there’s the revenue from the 150 at $5,000 and money from the 500 x $397/month teleseminar group.
Now he can downsell the rest who have decided not to follow through on the first two offers.
So quit whining and focus on the massive returns you could get from being exposed to his approach and most vitally ACTING on it.
Rich,
I am so upset! I just went to sign up, there was 53 minutes left on the time clock and it said it was over. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE let me in.
has anyone recieved a welcoming letter or further instruction yet from rich after you purchased? I have only recieved my reciept.
Thanks,
Paul
Paul - So far I haven’t received anything other than a receipt either.