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    • Jul 29 2006
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      The Vultures Are Descending Already

      Published in General

    • So, I finally got some needed sleep.. opened my email box this morning to find:

      1) A teleseminar for the internet marketing community about 7 secrets to a million dollar business being used to pitch some sort of program
      2) A pitch for a 6 week teleseminar series on how to get the maximum leverage out of your internet business.

      Then I opened an email from a friend and he had found two other promotions geared for the budding internet entrepreneur.

      Unbelievable. I guess I should take it all as a compliment, but I don’t. I have spent years perfecting what I now teach, and it all has been proven time and time again. These Johnny-Come-Latelys are just opportunists trying to feed on my table scraps - and they’ll end up hurting the people who put trust in them.

      So, if you are one of the people who couldn’t afford what I have offered, please do not go looking for some cheap option. Instead go through my free materials, study them, do your best to apply them and I will have more free materials for you. Yes, I will be busy but I would rather do some extra work and get you what you need, even if I give it away, then be at all responsible for you going down the wrong path with the wrong people.

      I know what I’ve said here is controversial, but for 2 years I was the only one working on strategy and systems for internet businesses and within 4 hours of my launch ending all of sudden there are quite a few popping up, it really make me sick, and it should make you sick too.

      If you read my work, you already know how important a role I feel your business plays is in your life. That’s why I get so worked up about this. The wrong advice could literally set you years back. Be careful, before you take anyone’s business building advice, see if they have testimonials from people your respect and whose success you would like to emulate. Make them prove to you that they’ve been focused on internet businesses - and that they’ve had more than 10 internet businesses as clients.

      OK, I am finished with my rant. Now on to some housekeeping.

      I have sent emails out to clients on both of my client lists. If you paid and did not receive an email I need to know about it. Just post a comment here using your preferred email address when you sign in (don’t put it in the body of your post) and we will contact you.

      My oldest daughter Ava has a tennis lesson so I got to run, but sometime soon I am going to tell you why my daughter Ava (who is 4 years old) already makes more money than most internet marketers do all by herself (no help from her old man).

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      60 Comments to “The Vultures Are Descending Already”

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      Comment by Jan Heering
      2006-07-29 15:21:15  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich,

      I’ve signed up for the Businesss Growth System, but haven’t received any e-mail.

      However, I’ve contacted Sheila from Schefren, and she has confirmed that I was on the list.

      I’ve watched your video and the wisdom inside this video is already more worth for me than the price of the purchase of the Growth Business System

      Can’t wait to get started.
      Jan Heering

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      Comment by Shane Wilson
      2006-07-29 15:35:35  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich,
      I purchased a spot on your month by month program and have not received an email. I emailed you a few days ago and have heard nothing yet.

      Respectfully,
      Shane Wilson

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      Comment by Nadav
      2006-07-29 17:08:13  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich,

      I signed up for the:
      12 Month Business Growth System

      No email yet :-)

      Regards,

      Nadav

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      Comment by Jim McCarthy
      2006-07-29 18:35:23  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Rich,
      I signed up and got a payment receipt, but no welcome email or any other kind of communications.

      Thanks,
      Jim

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      Comment by Wade Winger
      2006-07-29 18:42:45  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I have not received an email from you either.

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      Comment by Jake LaBotz
      2006-07-29 18:53:32  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I don’t see the similarity between your program and the email you are talking about. Offers like that have been around for years. I don’t see how you can take credit for sparking them. I’m sure they would be there even if people have never heard of you.

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      Comment by Cathy Perkins
      2006-07-29 19:11:03  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich - I signed up too but have not heard anything. I also sent an e-mail but got no reply.

      Thanks…Cathy

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      Comment by Freda Schriner
      2006-07-29 20:01:36  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I signed up as well and have not heard from you yet.

      Thanks,

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      Comment by Michael Molloy
      2006-07-29 20:11:38  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hey Rich,
      I signed up for the 12 month program and haven’t received any emails yet (other than the receipt). Looking forward to hearing from you and getting started.

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      Comment by Bob
      2006-07-29 20:12:32  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Don’t give the Johnny-Come-Latelys any energy. Keep on track!

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      Comment by Jason
      2006-07-29 21:45:21  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I paid, no email…

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      Comment by Kathleen
      2006-07-29 21:50:31  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I was one of the first 40 who signed up on the evening before your launch - and I am totally pumped!! But, I haven’t heard anything yet, either - and have left 2 emails because there was a double chargo on my cc’s through PP.

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      Comment by Errol Blackburn
      2006-07-29 22:03:57  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Rich, I have not heard from you either. I signed up on teh evening of the call. My Bank records indicate that payment has been made.

      I look forward to hearing from you.
      Kind regards

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      Comment by Kimberly
      2006-07-29 22:21:28  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I signed up for the month to month, but no e-mail follow up yet.

      Cheers,
      Kimberly

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      Comment by Lee Little
      2006-07-29 22:38:00  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I got an order confirmation email.
      I saw my name on the list, #78 I think.
      I see the charge on my CC.
      I haven’t received any additional emails.
      I’m working on your suggestions in the freebies but I’m anxious to get rolling on the major program.
      Thanks–Lee

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      Comment by Nancy
      2006-07-29 22:47:55  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I also have only received a payment receipt and no other email from you. Thanks for asking us to post this for you to see. When do we start?

      I’ve been reading through your free resources and am going to start learning mind-mapping & project-mapping as/and before we get started. I’m looking forward to this coaching as I really need to learn more efficient & effective management tools and management style to make my time effective and super effective.

      Question: On your resources pdf you have 3 different ones. mindjet, smartdraw, and gyronix. Do you use them all? It looks like gyronix isn’t the easiest to start with.

      I currently outsource four ongoing tasks, but these four outsourcers have no need to be in contact with each other. My first priority is to get my own tasks/mind clear and focused, and I have my tasks and notes in various places: word, excel, access, ms works database with no efficient central place (only too many papers on my physical desk). it looks like mindjet might be the best for me to start with for this task organizing part??

      If you can give me a comment on my questions along with when we get started I’d really appreciate it.

      Thank you
      Nancy

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      Comment by Darryl Peddle
      2006-07-29 23:11:10  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Paid… no emails…. bummer.

      darrylpeddle@sympatico.ca

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      Comment by Darryl Peddle
      2006-07-29 23:13:29  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      PS: Can’t wait to start… my mind has been racing since I signed up…. hopefully process mapping will be covered.

      Regards,

      Darryl

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      Comment by Wayne
      2006-07-29 23:59:46  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Signed up, payment receipt, nothing else.

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      Comment by David Jenyns
      2006-07-30 04:14:53  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      No email for me either yet.

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      Comment by Ben
      2006-07-30 10:12:39  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Me too not heard anything at all apart from receipt. When I signed up, the thank you page was not up either.

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      Comment by Francis
      2006-07-30 10:20:02  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I’ve signed up for the 12 month program and not received anything yet.

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      Comment by Shawn Lebrun
      2006-07-30 11:46:58  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Rich,

      As far as the copycats go, I wouldn’t expend any negative energy even thinking about them.

      As we both know, anyone that has been in business for any length of time and produces a quality product WILL get knocked off.

      Not if, but when. It’s just the human nature of lazy people, they think they can come in and just copy your success.

      But when they find out how hard it is to get to the top, how much time and money you have to invest… well, most of them are just not willing to put in that time and money. So they fall by the wayside.

      Your USP is what will separate these wanna-be’s. And thankfully, you’re lightyears ahead of what others are offering to do.

      You’ve so far “out-USP’ed” them, they are now all playing “catch-up”

      Shawn Lebrun

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      Comment by Caroline
      2006-07-30 11:53:44  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I signed up for the 12-Month Coaching Program, received payment receipt from both you and paypal but nothing else.

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      Comment by Dave Origano
      2006-07-30 12:03:01  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hey Rich,

      also didn’t get that email.

      But systems mess up every now and then, got problems with it myself too.

      Maybe you want to look into it and send another mail to everyone once the problem is fixed, so that everybody can confirm they’re on the list now!

      Looking forward to your program,

      Dave
      The Netherlands

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      Comment by Kristian Lunde
      2006-07-30 12:16:25  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi. I enrolled in the 12-month program and didn’t get a mail from you.

      Much looking forward to your program!

      Kris
      Norway

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      Comment by Sean
      2006-07-30 12:17:46  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich,

      I signed up but received no “welcome” or follow up emails either. There was also no thank you page when I completed the Paypal payment step.

      I did, however, ended up with 2 Paypal subscriptions and got receipts for both, including the one from 1ShoppingCart.

      I’ve sent a reply email to Sheila about this already - waiting to hear back :-)

      Best Regards,

      Sean

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      Comment by Darrell
      2006-07-30 13:03:18  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I also signed up for the 12-Month Coaching Program and received the payment receipt … but no emails yet.

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      Comment by Darrell
      2006-07-30 13:27:34  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      About the Johnny-Come-Latelys:

      Thought I should mention that Perry Marshall also does coaching that includes building/growing your internet business, and he’s been doing it for a while.

      Though he wouldn’t be one of the ones sending out opportunistic emails. He only markets his coaching to existing customers.

      But anyone else who’s promoting coaching right now, using the term “business building” for internet businesses, I’d say is definitely copying Rich - since he’s the one who’s popularized (and systemized) that term and idea.

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      Comment by Mark Daynes
      2006-07-30 14:28:12  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      wow, I’ve had a great ride just getting to the signing up part of the coaching program. I think I have learned more than a few thousand dollars worth just watching rich sign us all up. and with all the great free information I’m on such a great learning buzz cant wait to get started.

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      Comment by Barbara Wainwright
      2006-07-30 15:44:02  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich,
      I think I was number 152 to sign up for the monthly program.
      I received a “Thank you for your order” email from you and my credit card WAS charged.
      However, I did not receive a receipt from Paypal and I don’t see a subscription to the program there either.
      I feel really good about signing up for your program. I look forward to working with you and I’m grateful that you came up with the monthly payment option as it will be much easier for me to manage financially.
      Respectfully,
      Barbara Wainwright

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      Comment by Jan Marie
      2006-07-30 16:36:44  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich!
      I paid for a subscription to your 12 Month Business Growth System Monday July 24th. I got a receipt, but haven’t received an email or any information from you.

      I’m really looking forward to getting started!

      Jan Marie

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      Comment by Bill
      2006-07-30 16:59:38  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Rich,

      I paid for month to month, but have not received email. By the way, have any spaces in the 11-week intensive opened up?

      Bill

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      Comment by MT
      2006-07-30 18:18:00  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Paid for monthly slot, but no email.

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      Comment by Sharon Tucci
      2006-07-30 18:29:26  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      No email here either. Was listed on the site as having signed up and credit card was charged.

      Did anyone actually GET an email?

      I also emailed shortly after signing up to make sure that the right affiliate was credited since I signed on from a different computer and no response.

      Also, it would be REAL nice if we could get an advance schedule of the planned dates/times for the calls and how you plan to deal with the time differences.

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      Comment by Shawn T
      2006-07-30 19:21:02  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Nancy - MindJet (www.mindmapping.com) makes software called MindManager specifically for mindmapping. Gyronix is a plugin for MindManager - it pulls data from other maps to create a “dashboard” of “to do” lists, projects, etc.

      SmartDraw is great for process mapping (and about 1000 other drawing-related projects). Not so good for mind-mapping (especially compared to MindManager).

      Hope this helps.
      s.

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      Comment by Shawn T
      2006-07-30 19:21:30  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Duh…MindJet is www.mindjet.com.

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      Comment by Rich Schefren
      2006-07-30 19:38:19  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Just as Shawn said.
      For process mapping SmartDraw is ideal. There are probably cheaper options out there but it really is so easy and powerful I love it.

      For brainstorming, organizing thoughts, and keeping track of my daily to-do’s I use mindmanager from mindjet.

      I just posted a new post. The 11 week program starts this week, the 12 month will start the following week.

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      Comment by Bruce
      2006-07-31 01:41:16  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich,
      Looking forward to the coaching. Still no welcome e-mail, etc.
      thanks again,
      Bruce

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      Comment by Qing Gu
      2006-07-31 06:24:48  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Rich, I didn’t get your emails after I received your “thank you for the order” email.

      My order id is 13902081. Thank you for the help.

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      Comment by cris chico
      2006-07-31 10:12:27  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      i received confirmation for payment but NO other emails received… thanks

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      Comment by Menachem
      2006-07-31 13:02:56  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      No email recieved, besides for the original payment confirmation email. My name is on the list.
      Menachem

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      Comment by Luis
      2006-07-31 13:05:58  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Hi Rich!

      I paid for a subscription to your 12 Month Business Growth System. I got a receipt, but haven’t received an email or any information from you.

      Luis

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      Comment by Mical Johnson
      2006-07-31 13:48:28  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I haven’t received an email yet

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      Comment by Brad
      2006-07-31 15:04:08  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I signed up and received the paypal receipts but nothing else. No welcome emails or anything.

      Please send me what I’ve missed so far.

      Thanks

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      Comment by Mark Daynes
      2006-07-31 15:27:14  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I seem to get all my emails ok, 3 so far! It looks like the internets blackhole for email is at work here or maybe its spam filters?

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      Comment by Michael Quadlander
      2006-07-31 19:05:22  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Rich, I didn’t get your emails after I received your “thank you for the order” email.

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      Comment by PromoSolitaire.com
      2006-08-01 21:23:10  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Since I couldn’t afford the offerings I had to pass and focus on my strengths. From devouring all of the free stuff you’ve released so far, I was able to implement some of them.

      Congrats to the 60-minute makeover winner!

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      Comment by Nancy
      2006-08-02 02:01:29  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      This mindjet.com really ROCKS !!

      Thanks for taking the time to respond to my question on the mindmapping as to which one to start with.

      I’ve set up 2 mindmaps already and I feel the stress level already going down :) Being able to centralize my thoughts in this visual enviroment is great!! And being able to massage and move things on the map is amazing. Having these handy “clicks” to documents and webpages from the mind map is awesome - WOW what an efficient time saver!!

      I’m sure that as I work with mindjet.com my mindmaps will get even better and more efficient. It took some time to set these up with the learning curve, but within the next few days my time saved with these mind maps will quickly exceed the time it took to set these up. Plus I can feel the “flow of ideas” starting to happen in mindjet environment.

      I’m sure I’ll be adding the Gyronix dashboard and the SmartDraw soon. Thank you Rich and thank you Shawn for your responses to my mindmap questions :)

      I’m looking forward to this next year working with the 12 month group and you Rich.

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      Comment by InfopreneurWorld
      2006-08-02 05:55:01  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Talking about Johny-Come-Lately, you have to be aware that some of them might be people who has or will be in Rich’s Coaching program. I’ve got some of the offers lately.

      My suggestion, if you’re not have the luxury to be in the program, read again the manifesto and the missing chapter. Then read all the emails you’ve received so far. You can tell which’s crap which’s not.

      Indratno Widiarto
      from The Infopreneur World

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      Comment by Shawn T
      2006-08-02 10:06:25  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      Nancy-
      one other resource you may be interested in is www.mindmappingstrategies.com. (One note though for full disclosure - I created that site.) There are sample maps, free resources, suggestions, etc. I will be adding more stuff to it in the near future including a downloadable maps gallery and some tips and tricks (all free, of course). One word of advice to help you avoid the mistakes I made initially with mind mapping - get the info on the map first, then arrange and format it. I used to spend a lot of time trying to get everything right first and that’s not very productive. I start by pouring everything I can onto the map, then figuring out where everything goes, how it relates, how to format it, etc. Good luck.
      s.

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      Comment by Marlon Sanders Quote
      2006-08-02 14:14:03  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
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      I’ll keep this short and quick.

      Very seldom do I write something like this. I do my
      absolute best to keep things positive in the marketplace.

      But I wanna set the record straight about something…

      A high profile marketer who I respect is making claims
      that no other marketer has been teaching business systems
      for hiring employees, building, growing and expanding a
      business.

      I want to set the record straight right here, right now.

      In Milcer’s (pronounced MILKERS) newsletters, this was one
      of our 3 themes from day 1. Check archive.org. Or the
      current sales letter that has been up there a long time.

      You can read back issues that are available.

      I didn’t email about this earlier because I felt it would
      be innapropriate to detract from this marketer’s launch.

      But I have studied systems for 5 years. Read probably
      20,000 pages on them. Had them in my business for 6+
      years.

      And anyone who knows me personally knows that basically I
      don’t work in this business other than reading and writing
      my monthly newsletter and the occasional seminar or
      conference call.

      I’ve had people for 6 years. Systems for 6 years. Other
      people doing the work for 6 years.

      In terms of not doing actual “work” in their business, I
      seriously doubt there’s anyone who has my lifestyle. Every
      day you can find me at Starbucks, bookstores or wherever I
      choose reading and learning, which is what I love to do
      and love to share.

      Now, having gotten that off my chest let me say several
      things:

      1. I have high respect for the marketer making these
      claims. I think he has a LOT to offer the community.

      2. I joined his program. I think it’s a good program. I
      spend $20,000+ a year on education, so it isn’t a dent in
      my monthly educational budget. But I think this marketer
      has a unique and valuable contribution to make to people
      who are at the level where they need it.

      3. What I CAN show people how to do is get to the point
      where I’m at. That is 2-5 people, either virtual or
      employees helping you out in your business doing the work.
      I call that putting your business on full or semi auto
      pilot, and I’ve been teaching that in Milcers for several
      years, however long I’ve been publishing. Can’t recall off
      the top of my head.

      4. What I have to teach about systems I’m sure is a
      different and unique body of information. I don’t teach
      process maps, although I think they’re a great idea. I
      don’t teach growing BIG beyond 5 people because I haven’t
      done it yet.

      5. While I have taught and will continue to teach systems
      to my Milcers, it isn’t the focus because to be honest,
      most people don’t have a product, don’t have a target
      market, don’t have a sales letter. So what is it you need
      systems for other than to get those activities going,
      which is what I teach?

      Most people in this industry are stuck at a job they hate,
      with only an hour a night, no revenue from their business,
      no product yet of their own, and no target market or an
      unclear one.

      Thus, my main thrust has been getting people to square 1
      which is income. At which you can turn up the systems. But
      that doesn’t mean I haven’t in the mix been teaching
      outsourcing, delegating and autopiloting.

      6. From day 1 in Milcers, the theme has been create income
      streams using the steps of “The Amazing Formula”, put them
      on full or semi auto pilot and enjoy the Internet lifestyle.

      Step two involves systems and hiring either freelancers or
      employees. And I’ve been teaching and preaching that since
      day one. To say that no one else has taught systems to
      this market is not true. And if you maintain that, you
      ain’t done your homework on Milcers.

      And to say that if I talk about systems, I’m therefore
      ripping off the “domain” of this other marketer is a
      falsehood.

      He’s marketing his territory and his positioning, and I
      don’t blame him. It’s a smart thing to do. But I want YOU
      as my customer to know I’ve been bringing the value on
      this topic for a long time, and it isn’t true to say I haven’t.

      However, I give him GREAT credit for recognizing the value of
      it as a stand alone topic and making that “his thing.” Those
      who are ONLY interested in that topic won’t be well-served with
      my Milcer’s newsletter, since my primary focus there is helping
      focus get the income streams to begin with by applying “The
      Amazing Formula” to whatever topic or area they have an interest
      in.

      TO WRAP UP:

      1. I think this marketer has a great deal to offer the
      community in how to grow beyond the level I’m currently at
      which is 5 and less freelancers/employees.

      2. The claim he makes to be the first and only person
      teaching systems and growing a business is to discount the
      work I’ve done in and with our Milcers.

      3. In all fairness to this other marketer, I doubt he’s a
      member