Please Pay Attention!

Wow!

In less than 24 hours The Attention Age Doctrine has already been downloaded by over 21,538 online business builders.

Over 700 of them joined me as this afternoon when the legendary marketing genius Jay Abraham interviewed me for his elite private clients. And we have over 1,623 entrepreneurs who’ve registered for tomorrow’s call.

Amazingly enough (since we are always operating on the "bleeding edge" of technology) so many internet marketers have been downloading the doctrine (over a hundred downloaders at any given moment) many experienced a very slow download speed.

To remedy the situation we added two additional servers, and we’ve quadrupled our already substantial bandwidth.

So, if you personally had any problems downloading, I apologize for that… and my team has fixed the problem.

You can go get it now – right here.

And the feedback I’ve been getting is amazing. Both the good and the bad…

Look, whenever I release a report I get all types of feedback – both positive, and negative. It comes with being at the forefront.

When you can get people talking about you –good or bad – it means you have the market’s attention and this is exactly what I was talking about in The Attention Age Doctrine.

I explained in the personal note in the beginning of the Doctrine that due to timing I was forced to release an unfinished version. This may have been unclear for some who might have rushed through the doctrine based on a few emails I’ve received. Just so we’re clear it means that the 60+ pages is not the whole document, in fact it’s not even half of it, there’s a lot more coming.

So, in case someone reading missed that point…

– This is not the completed version
– There is no hidden agenda or top secret conspiracy to leave out information (LOL)
– The material released so far is the foundation and it’s critical to understand in its entirety to be able to profit from what’s coming.

So while I appreciate that some marketers and friends have tried to summarize my document – they are not doing the marketplace any good – because the strategies, tactics and big “ah-has” and takeaways are coming in the next segment of the doctrine.

While the manifesto trilogy was written in a way that each one stood on its own – the doctrine was meant to be one complete report.

Yet, I deliberately released just the first sections prematurely to the marketplace because:

As I stated in the Doctrine – based on the advice I received from Jay Abraham I would have done many a disservice had I not given them the opportunity to understand my current thinking and take advantage of the upcoming event, which is now less than two weeks away.

Based on the flood of sales that came in today for the July event it seems obvious many appreciated the invitation given in the early release of the unfinished doctrine.

There are two things I would like you to do from here:

1 – Listen to the call with Jay Abraham (it’s the best explanation of what my current thoughts are) here

2 – Although the doctrine is not complete I would really like to hear your thoughts – please post your comments to my blog, right here.

(I read each and every single comment each and every day)



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  • http://www.buyauthority.com Rusty K.

    Absolutely Brilliant! You have left me in Awe and now I look forward to more of you. I wish I could attend your seminar in Delray, Florida on July 12-15, 2007 but nevertheless, an amazing presentation like always.

    Rusty K.
    http://nameaide.com

  • http://TeleseminarFortunes.com TeleseminarFortunes.com

    Hey Rich,

    This is a long holiday weekend in Canada, so I guess I’ll have to wait until my intern has a chance to listen to the teleseminar audio and pore over the report and send me a digest. ;)

    Ok, I would like to finish this post, but my attention’s waning — gotta go read more email…

    :P

    Kidding aside – great work (as always) on the report and on the mini-launch sequence…love watching the process!

    Lou D’Alo

  • Paul

    Thanks Rich, great concepts!

  • Rafic

    Hi Rich,

    Thank you for this wonderful “wake-up” call. It is a challenge to get started online given all the options at your disposal. Harder yet when you have to digest and apply all the information from a variety of sources since there are so many skills that an Internet entrepreneur must master.

    I would like to see a leading industry group or consortium put together a guide on Internet marketing and profitability for the small business entrepreneur. This guide and its corresponding products would be backed by credible Internet marketing organizations, field experts, and specialists. The reports or information products would be 1) “peer reviewed” by the “best of the best” in Internet marketing and 2) flow from one report to the next. As an aspiring Internet marketer, this would be an attractive package for me to purchase. Rather than purchasing so many special reports and then trying to make them all fit together which leads back to the points you made in The Attention Age Doctrine.

    Thank you for the wonderful report!
    Rafic

  • Mauricette

    Congratulations Rich! – you’re really hot as a marketeer: It is no mean feast to get my FULL ATTENTION for over two hours on a Saturday morning for me to read a 60+ page document.

    Whilst I agree with some of the comments that I already knew much of it or could discover it by thinking about the problem, I must admit that it’s beautifully put – and entertaining too – and provided an incentive to make me reconsider some of my habits.

    Like John Leonard, I intend to give up my Info-lust and Info-Addiction. Old habits die hard and mine pre-date the time when you could find anything you need, when you need it, on the web, so I still keep lots of interesting stuff “just in case” it may come in handy one day.

    I “knew” this was crazy, but I suddenly understood why when I saw it analysed in terms of shifting from “just in case” to “just in time”.

    I kept meaning to go through cubic tons of stuff, sheet by sheet, file by file, and decide what to keep and what to dump. But I won’t bother now. Rather, I’ll take a bold step and throw away the lot WITHOUT looking at it! I am bound to lose something which could have been useful, but as I probably don’t even know it’s there, it will make no difference. And I will feel a lot better for having got rid of all that clutter!

    What’s more, I have ALREADY acted on information received: Sunday was the first day in years that I did not switch on my computer to check my email. It was hard; like an addict, I felt drawn towards it – but I resisted the impulse and it feels like I have taken one small step towards reclaiming my time and my life.

    Bring on the next installment!

    Cheers
    Mauricette

  • http://ww.deanpower.net Dean

    As an Australian I am surprised to see so many other Aussies here, G’day Everyone.

    I have just listened to the audio and it’s just a little bit like the report great on sales, great in defining the problem but the content leaves me feeling a little empty.

    I am sure your seminar will be full.

    With all this hype so close to the event I am wondering if you are concerned about whether you can going to fill the seminar. It’s a massive fear of loss pitch, congratulations.

    Finally I have no doubt that the seminar will be very good, probably worth the the money provided your speakers give fully any hint of waffly pitches (like the report and this call) on their behalf will leave attendees feeling like they have justed wet themselves in a three piece suit (warm all over but deeply embarrassed to find themselves in this state).

  • http://www.enleadership.com Ed Oakley

    Rich, this special report is painfully accurate and set in a great context of how it affects us as business owners. I am psyched to get the solution side in Florida next week!
    Appreciatively,
    Ed

  • http://www.doityourself-tips.com Manuel

    Hi Rich,

    I am afraid but I don’t get it, hopefully with the next one I’ll see the light.

    Do you mean that interruptions make or break a bussines?

  • http://www.man-vs-web.com/problogger/ Mark

    Rich, you are dead on. Interruptions are a problem in my life and in the lives of many other professionals I know, although they often deny it. In my particular case, it is the personal distractions, like message boards or other hobbies. Interruptions will make or break a business. As we get more and more overwhelmed by information overload and interruptions, we get less and less done. Our attention spans progressively decrease over time and we develop that frustrated mind set. We end up asking ourselves, Where did all my time go? at the end of another day spent parrying interruption after interruption after interruption. Why is it that we will often have such clear inspirations on how to expand our operations, only to arrive at the end of yet another day, asking ourselves where did the time go? The answer is two-fold: Interruptions and Information Overload.

  • Ken Fairchild

    Hi Rich,

    I just received your e-mail about the “event”. Right now, for me with a sick wife, travel is out of the question. I am hoping that when the event is wrapped up that you will be able to make at least a part of the material available to those like myself. Since the report you released was just the first part I am sure I can count on you to finish it up but I am hoping that the additional information will include material from the event. I deeply appreciate the work you are willing to share with us. As I have read the first part I realize that at best my entry into the market place could probably be termed ill timed at best but hopefully, with the information you are sharing, that entry can be smoothed out a little.

    I have one comment about the report. You don’t mention it specifically but one of the things that I feel has been a great contributor to the decline in the market has been an attitude that with great marketing, service is no longer necessary or a factor in success. In my life time I have seen business turn from being concious of the customer’s needs to running their businesses for their own convenience and the customer can “like it or lump it”. I think this attitude is going to have to turn back around.

    Thanks again for what you are doing.
    Ken

  • Susan Miners

    Rich I appreciate your thoughts and work on this and it was exhausting to wade through to find the nuggets. Please consider making a simple mind map like your famous manifesto one and put it at the beginning of your document.

  • http://www.lipliving.com Lea Woodward

    Rich – an interesting read, if a little verbose and long-winded like other commenters have mentioned.

    Your client list – whilst extremely impressive – also contains the names of some of those who have been grabbing our attention, over-hyping and then under-delivering. Perhaps you have some responsibility for creating this monster that you’re now trying to tame?

    You are most definitely a business ‘guru’ to watch & learn from – and it’s interesting to see your next move & how you’re positioning yourself more widely than just the internet marketing world.

    You are clearly a marketing genius – I think you could leave out some of the hype – people would still listen to you without it.

  • http://teenacnesolutions.com butterbean

    As an objective spectator…,

    While I have learned a few valuable nuggets from your material, Im curios as to why even after over a year of coaching new clients and releasing several reports you still boast the same testimonials…

    These testimonials are from the same circle of influence used to sell and promote every other IM product out there. One would think that by now you would have mentored and help create numerous other big names with your information.

    However, as alluded to earlier your stamp at credibility (and influence) is using testimonials from the “inner circle of IM” that are the same people guilty of using the tactics you are claiming to hate all in the same document!

    Where are the raving sucess stories from your mentoring program that illustrate how you took someone from zero to whatever in “record time” as you claim…?

    Initially you positioned yourself as being different from the rest of IM guru’s and that is what led people to listen to you. Now, not only are you contradicting your own writing by using the same hypey tactics, but you are also turning people off with your “opportunistic” emails.

    No one can deny your impact on the IM community, but at the end of the day it seems as though your true philosophy is “do as I say and not as I do”

    And if that is the case…

    It says a lot about your true feelings towards the information your selling.

    Regards.

  • http://www.charlesshinaveriiiphd.com Charles Shinaver PhD

    Rich, I am a psychologist myself.

    I am building my own psychology practice and my online business is actually an adjunct and not really a business as yet. I’ve only made $75 from an affiliate program which I sincerely use and believe in which is not an online ‘product’. I have no list really. So, given that I have mostly used your program to help me with understanding how to grow my psychology practice and I am not sure attending the conference really helps me although I am considering it.

    I find this article interesting and salient, but as one of your coaching clients (who is right now working on increasing my own integration of the material in the 12 month program I am in now and who has not commented or asked questions before…), I partly feel that this is a synthesis of that program.

    What I mean is speed reading, using mindmaping, using some of the other technologies you have suggested in your “resources” for that program seem to fit part of where you are going. Also, your emphasis upon integrity there seems to fit with the notion of ‘getting attention’ form the market. As does the issue of delivering upon promises. In other words, the goal becomes to become the only e-mail that people open except for those from friends. Yes, you have gotten to that status in my e-mail box, but I feel like I need to study how you have done that in itself.

    Also, so although this is a different label and packaging than the coaching program, I wonder is it really different?

    I do feel that your materials and content are excellent which is why I have stayed on in the program. Yet, if the first two days are primarily speed reading, mindmapping, and strategies for stopping interuptions I feel that I need to work on those more and I am focusing upon on them at home, so why go to the conference and practice there? Is two days really enough time to integrate, initiate and stabilize such behaviors? I’m skeptical of that. Realize I do think these things are all critical. Yet, these changes require more time.
    The truly critical issue is actually implementing these things in your daily life which itself is not guaranteed by attending your conference.

    Furthermore, I hope you offer some or most of the material online so I can buy what is most salient for me at a pace that fits me. Besides, my wife, who is a physician has a malpractice case in which she is the defendent and she leaves on Sunday and she wants my support and presence at home to send her off. I feel in my heart I need to be there for her. So, I am only really considering the first two days.

    So, back to the main point, if this program is mostly a synthesis of your existing program and mostly involves ‘resources’ you have made available there I would rather pick up the content after the conference. Will you make it available to at least your coaching clients? That would be great and show great loyalty on your part.

    The other issue that has been a challenge in your coaching program is that the amount of material combined with the process of ‘internalizing the material’ and actually taking it to heart really requires some time to make these changes. As a result some of the content simply goes over people’s heads and past their hearts (or at least mine!) because, as you seem to suggest, we can only focus upon one thing at a time in a quality way. My fear is I will get saturated with information and have little real time to integrate this whereas staying at home and picking up the information more slowly over time may work better for integration.

    Just a few thoughts.

    Charles Shinaver III, Ph.D.

  • http://www.Battlecall.com Rob Lawrence

    Another excellent report by Rich. I look forward to all of his materials and they have helped me build my business at http://www.Battlecall.com by learning from his example. Highly recommended!

    Warm Regards,
    Rob
    Battlecall.com

  • http://www.philoscribe.com Dee Harrison

    Thank you for making your report available. I am recovering from a head injury sustained in a car accident last year and am not fit to fly. If I were, I would be on a plane from the UK to Florida for your event!

    I had thought it was my current state of fitness that was causing me problems but there was a huge ‘aha’ moment as I read your report and much relief as I realised it isn’t just me!!

    I hope you’ll keep in touch through your mailing list and I hope that you will let those of us who cannot attend how your event goes.

    Wishing you well
    Dee

  • Jim

    Thanks for the wakeup call.

    It all boils down to – TURN OFF INTERRUPTIONS.
    Set time limits, assess importance.

    I knew most of this from previous time management book, but just needed reminding what an “info junkie” I have become.

    But otherwise, I just think – Oh no, not yet another seminar!

    It seems that all the gurus nowadays hype up their pricey seminars first, for people who have the money to waste, then move down the chain to less expensive options, courses, finally e-books or MP3′s to squeeze more out of people with less money to spend as the excitement dies down.

    It was a great read, and I considered forwarding it to all my work colleagues, except its IM centric hype would put them off reading it anyway, since they are not the slightest bit interested in becoming entrepreneurs.

    Another version of your book, whittled down to the essentials, and aimed at giving advice to Average Joe would be a good idea, just sharing advice for a modern world. No sales hype.

    Anyway – Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  • http://www.digitizercrm.com Val Slastnikov

    What can I say, Rich?

    You’ve done it again! Congratulations!!

    I recommended your new study to all my friends and networking partners, and was so inspired by it that I created a new blog celebrating all of your greatest accomplishments at: http://strategicprofitsvideos.blogspot.com/

    You are my daily inspiration, Rich. Thank you for giving us freedom and a chance to start dreaming again!

    I can’t wait to get the sequel of your newest and greatest bestseller…

    God Bless you,

    -Val Slastnikov

  • TArthur

    Rich,

    What a privilege it was to meet you. You are such a down-to-earth person with great insight. You have a unique way of delivering information that I feel is key to your success. You make it easy to take in and personalize the advice you have to offer. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with the world. We could all benefit from your expertise.

  • http://www.RajaHireker.com Raja C. Hireker

    Hello Rich,

    Let me start by saying that the Attention Age Doctrine is an extraordinary document. A document focussing on a number of things and especially hilighting the fact that the sheer bombardment of business opportunity after business opportunity flooding our inboxes, is causing more than our electronic mailbox to buckle.

    For, what happens next is that it causes our concentration, focus and unswerving attention, to perform a triple coil, double wheelie, axle flip. I’ve no idea what I’ve just written, only to say that our fleeting, uncontrollable monkey mind is all over the place, unable to sit still for a moment.

    However, there’s one insight I’d like to mention which may not be too popular. In fact, if there was an Internet Marketing lynch mob, they’d be lining up, taking it in turns to ‘have at me’.

    Here’s the insight:

    Looking at the rosta of people you’ve coached, going with the one’s you’ve partially listed in your marketing documents, it seems as if the people you are coaching to extraordinary success, are the very ones causing many to have the attention deficit and the fleeting concentration virus!

    Let me explain.

    Mike Filsame, John Carlton, Jim Daniels, Tellman Knudson, Brad fallon, Chris Carpenter, Jeff Walker, etc, are all pretty well known in the Internet Marketing circles.

    But look, when you get each one of them endorsing, recommending, tooting each others horn about their products, their courses, their insights and wisdom, doesn’t it just ring huge bells that through your coaching, there’s a huge party of back slapping and money raking going on.

    And, who suffers?

    Exactly. The very same people you refer to in your Attention Age Doctrine, the one’s who are on a merry and devastating road to nowhere… except Internet Marketing doomdom and crippling finances because of shelling out for everything under the sun.

    Now don’t get me wrong. I think it’s important to share vital information that could be crucial to someone through a recommendation.

    But, can you see how the cycle of confusion is carried onwards? Can you see how guru edorsing guru endorsing guru endorsing guru… leaves the poor, hapless, real honest bonafide business opportunuty seeker, beweildered, flustered and up the Internet creek without an iota of what the heck to do next?

    I hope you can Rich because I think the problem is a big one and is perpetuated somewhat through your teachings to these gurus. See, they in turn, just like highly trained marketing ninja assassins, are out to make a killing at the expense of the sanity of the people they’re supposedly aiming to help.

    Maybe I’ve picked up the wrong end of the stick here but it just seems a glaringly obvious insight to me.

    Thanks,

    RC Hireker

  • http://www.mrorigano.com/ Dave Origano

    To hook into the discussion going on here about Rich and other guru’s creating the attention deficit disorder amongst many marketers:

    1) You’re in the marketing industry. Everybody here is about marketing products. Especially when you attend the IM industry, which has thousands of people selling marketing products to other marketers. You won’t see this kind of incest in the offline marketing field. (At least not where I come from)

    2) At some point in time, everyone makes mistakes. Even the best people fall for the money. When they got a huge list, get a good JV offer – greed takes over. It happened to me too. But I learned from it and won’t do it again – I rarely recommend a product or service, however I do refer people to other people.

    3) Sometimes people do promote good products. Not every product marketers push is something for you. But keep in mind that many products are good, deliver upon their promises and can help certain people. Notice I said certain people?

    Marketers like Mike Filsaime, Rich Schefren and John Reese got hundreds of thousands of people on their lists. They simply can’t promote one product that would be the perfect fit for everyone on their list. They push products that they get good conversion ratio’s on… i.e. the product is a fit for a good percentage of the complete list.

    Would you do something else when you were in the shoes on one of these expert marketers?

    (And be true with yourself here!)

    Let me know,

    Dave Origano
    Business Growth Advisors Inc

    P.S. – If you want to, I’ll contact Rich and ask him to use my testimonial next. If he wants to get mine.

  • http://www.ooakdollart.com Tenderspirit

    Abosolutely great and so true. Am dilligently working on getting all ifno out of my brain onto computer and organized so that I can think again. Brilliant remove the clutter. Oh so simple but only Rich would come up with something like that.

    I posted in the very beginning and hopefully soon will reveal my success story.
    Finally

    Hugs Tenderspirit

  • http://www.compareforexadvice.com Compare Forex Advice

    To the mom up above who expressed concern about her son studying with all the distractions and background noise. I used to feel the same way. I would insist that studying should occur in a quiet place. But then it occurred to me that I was telling my kids this, because that’s how I (a great scholastic nerd) had been raised. And what had it meant to me? It meant I did great at school, BUT…… I have trouble focusing on tasks unless I’m in my library-like environment. And guess what? Usually workplaces, family settings, etc offer a very unstructured, distracting environment. The ability to focus in a distracting world is an important skill and it’s the reason with my younger son that unless I can see that he IS getting distracted, he can leave on the other noise makers while he studies.

  • http://www.socialframing.blogli.co.ilhebrew Eyal Harofe

    Hi Rich,

    I think that the global economy is on the move again – from the “Attention age” to the – “INTENTION AGE”:

    “The Intention Economy grows around buyers, not sellers. It leverages the simple fact that buyers are the first source of money, and that they come ready-made. You don’t need advertising to make them /… / In The Intention Economy, the buyer notifies the market of the intent to buy, and sellers compete for the buyer’s purchase (by getting his attention somehow in some way – you said it Rich). Simple as that.” (Doc Searls, The Intention Economy)

    http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000035

    What do you have to say for the “Attention age” defense?

    Thanks for all your reports!

    Eyal

  • Nick How

    Hi

    Is it only possible to reserve a copy now? I’ve tried to download a copy twice but without success. I see the word ‘reserve’ is now used and I would be grateful if if could make it clear if the document is available to download now – the impression given is that it is – or whether there is a waiting list.

    Thank you.
    Nicola

  • http://declutteringyourlife.com Viviana

    Hello, Rich -

    Thank you for the Attention Age. You’ve put into words what we’ve been experiencing for the last few years. Humankind has evolved more in the last 50 years than in the previous 500. For the first time in our history we’re evolving to keep pace with our technology instead of the climate change that previously drove us.

    I find it almost impossible sometimes to concentrate on any moneymaking tasks because I’m worried I don’t have the latest, up-to-date info, etc. The only way I can access my creativity is to switch everything off and sit quietly for an hour with a notebook and pen. Guess what – it works!

    One thing, though: surely infomarketers are as much to blame for the Attention Age as our technology? Whenever I buy an ebook or eproduct, I’m invariably sent shedloads of ‘essential’, ‘miss this at your peril’, ‘must-read/listen-to’ bonuses. So I counted up all the bonus products I’ve got (excluding the products I originally bought). Total: 116. How many have I actually read? 10. And I’m a speed reader! Now, I completely realise and appreciate that internet entrepreneurs are trying to give their customers value for money and thanking them for buying something, but I’m merely suggesting they ease off blitzing their mailing lists with too much info which will probably never be read.

    I felt a bit let-down at the end of the Attention Age. You absolutely nailed the problems we’re all facing with info/spam overload, and then you spoil it a little with that competition, exhorting contestants to go marketing-crazy with press releases, emails, forum/blog posts etc. What the…? Maybe I misunderstood the purpose of your document.

    However, thanks to you, Rich, I’ll be decluttering my excess eproduct bonus collection tonight with a sense of relief, and concentrating on restoring my abilities to focus and think. I look forward to reading the next instalment of the Attention Age.

    With thanks and all good wishes

    Viviana

  • http://www.blushlingerie.co.uk Dave Slater

    Hi Rich,
    I found your blog last week, and I am completely blown away! It will take me some time to get up to speed with all the content, but I feel that I’ve just made a great start by listening to this interview.

    Many thanks

    An avid fan!

    Dave

  • http://testmyidea.com ian amor

    Hello Rich,
    There is one thing that never seems to get spoken about and that is the secret
    of your success and everyone else’s..CREATIVE THINKING.and its application…
    It was only when you gave me the key to using mine that i have started to be successful ( ecommerce ) In your manifesto you suggested why applying your talent and not just your interest..gets results..
    I asked myself what is my real talent..back came the answer “.A creative imagination “I had lots of ideas but no focus…
    So my idea was ..use all my ideas AS THE BUSINESS ! thats how “testmyidea.com ” came about.. I am going to market to the people who have money..investors…..I have had one proposal from discovery beach and have had two meetings with YFM..one of the largest investors in the UK …..
    What especially interests them is my contract with an enterprise center in Mian Channu Pakistan which will use TMI as the gateway page for all the english speaking students…….I have also started negotiations with a thailand contact..
    One of my future press releases.is headed..WHY RICH SCHEFREN IS IN PAKISTAN
    the 20million market…(I need his permission to use it )
    I am having one of my inventions R&D by a USA company see yolob.com..
    Much more…but it all was jump started by reading your comment about using your strengths……
    PS..i am asking for $400,000 first funding……i am in the process of writing up the business plan….one of the entrepreneurs on tmi made me an animation for investor presentation..its on testmyidea,com under investor intro…
    The biggest problem i have to solve (thanks to you !) I cannot cope with all the things that are happening so fast …it’s just me and my startup ..

    Thanks again for the manifesto’s brilliant ian

  • http://www.super2up.net Richard A. Hartz

    Thanks Rich–

    Jay has an AMAZING mind!

    Richard A. Hartz

    http://www.super2up.net

    “Get Cash to Start Your Business!”

  • http://getahead.zinnia.org Joy

    Well, I finally got time to read the “doctrine”. (I have a hard time applying that word to that document.)
    I can see that there might be a lot of people that are caught in interrupt mode, but I’m in internet marketing and I don’t have any of those problems. The people I see in my daily life don’t have any of those problems. Do you live in a different world?
    I have noticed, ever since I started in IM, that it is a very different world than most people experience. It’s a lot more hectic and time-sensitive than the rest of the business world. So my view is that this “doctrine” only applies to a small portion of society, and it’s very easy to slip from the affected to the unaffected and vice versa.

  • http://www.arego.qhealthbeauty.com Arthur Rego

    Hi Rich,

    Could you please re-send your great report as I did not get it at the email
    you have on file.

    I can’t wait to read your great report

    Arthur(Bermuda)

  • http://www.bronwynbright.com/ Bronwyn Bright

    it’s a wonderful informative letter to all those out there that have been caught in that trap. I am struggling to get off the ground as a newbie and have fallen into everyone of the traps you outlined. By doing this blog I am doing it again. This however is important and I can carify my thoughts now to concentrate on the one thing.I will concentrate on learning the technologies required to start and not get suckered into all the things the internet has to offer.Some are really good but I can’t do all of them. How long before the rest of the report comes out? I will be looking for it with baited breath. Please don’t keep us hanging on too long. I realise that the seminar is over and some of the content refers to things that are passed date, but this is too good just to gloss over.

  • http://www.listbuildingtutorials.com Mike Hill

    Rich,

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and ideas. I’ve been noticing a trend but couldn’t put my finger on it. Now that I know, my business can focus on the REAL future.

    Mike Hill

  • Jonathan CHM

    1) The following are the proves that angels could perform miracles healing and there are falling angels in the Scripture to be against God too:

    John 5:3-4, “In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.”

    2) The following are the proves that Angels could perform marvellous wonders:

    Luke 1:7, “And they had no child, because that Elizabeth was barren and they both were now well stricken in years.” Luke 1:13, “but the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for their prayer is heard; and they wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John”. Luke 1:18, “And Zacharias said unto the angel, ‘Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my life well stricken in years.” Luke 1:19, “And THE ANGEL ANSWERING UNTO HIM, I AM GRABRIEL…” Luke 1:20, “AND BEHOLD, THOU SHALL BE DUMB, AND NOT ABLE TO SPEAK, UNTIL THE DAY THAT THESE THINGS SHALL BE PERFORMED, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.” Luke 1:22, “And when he came out, HE COULD NOT SPEAK UNTO THEM”.

    Matthews 28:1-2, “Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Many Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And, behold, THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, FOR AN ANGEL OF THE LORD DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN, AND ROLLED BACK THE STONE OF THE DOOR, and sat it.”

    Acts 12:23, “Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and died.”

    3) Angels could appear in somebody’s dream:

    Matthews 2:19, “…an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph…”; Matthew 1:20, “…an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream…”

    As angels could perform wonders, are there any strongest proves to show that those wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches are from God? If someone in contemporary Charismatic Church could prove it, we have to accept it. However, if nobody could prove whether the existence of wonder in contemporary Charismatic Churches is from God or the Holy Spirit or Angels, there is a danger that one would comment that certain wonders are from God or from the Holy Spirit or from Jesus Christ and, in case if they are not and it would turn up that we have forced God or Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit to bear the name of doer and indirectly we have abused the name of Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit and this causes us to speak against Jesus Christ or God or the Holy Spirit indirectly.

    Could contemporary Charismatic Church claim that the miracles and wonder they perform in the name of Jesus Christ, is accompanied by correct teaching (in accordance with God’s Word) and righteous living?

    A good Christian performs a wonder through the name of Jesus Christ in the Church. Many audiences would claim that this be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit. As fallen angels could perform wonders, i.e. Buddhists could perform wonders as it is listed in the Internet too. What if the wonders in contemporary Charismatic churches are not from God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit, the surrounding audience that claims to be the work of the Holy Spirit/God/Jesus Christ, would have indirectly abused the name of each of them even though they might not be the one to do it and it indirectly causes the defamation of the name of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit and they might have grieved as a result of the whole church speaking against them since they might not do it. The abusing of the name of Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit/God would cause the audience to commit continual sins as when and they address these be the work of God.

    Can a Christian or a Catholics claim that he has followed the correct teaching and righteous living when day by day and month by month and year by year seeing people keep on claiming the wonders in contemporary Charismatic Churches to be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit without telling them the danger that they would have sinned against God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit what if the so-called, wonders, might not be their work then?

    For holy bark, you could see people running around the churches crazily to bark here and there.

    For Holy laughter, you could see people laugh without stopping.

    For manifestation of the Spirit, you see people roll from one place to another without knowing what he/she has done after performing.

    All these are not mentioned in the book of Acts.

    A number of people in the church mention that they receive revelation from God through words of knowledge, prophecy, tongues speaking, words of wisdom. Many prophets arose previously claimed that year 2000 and 1987 were the end of the world. However, the year before year 2000 and 1987, none of these people that claim to receive so-called, special gifts of the Holy Spirit, say that these years 2000 and 1987 are not the end of the world. If it is the work of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit should have informed all these people to correct their mistakes.

    LUKE 9:49-50 ABOUT THOSE THAT DO NOT FOLLOW JESUS BUT COULD PERFORM WONDERS IN JESUS’ NAME

    Luke 9:49, 50 (TCNT), “Hereupon John said: “Sir, we saw a man driving out demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he does not follow you with us.” “None of you must prevent him,” Jesus said to John; “he who is not against you is for you.”

    Were these people that were mentioned in Luke 9:49-50 to be the disciples of Jesus since it is mentioned that they did not follow Jesus?

    The following are the verses to prove that God’s people would surely follow Jesus:

    John 10:27, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

    John 10:3, “To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calleth his own sheep by nam, and leadeth them out”.

    From the above verses, it is obvious that the sheep will surely follow the shepherd, Jesus.

    As the phrase, he is not against you is for you, is mentioned in Luke 9:49 instead of the phrase, he is not against you is for me Jesus, it does not show that all these people that could use Jesus to perform miracles were for Jesus but for us, disciples, especially Jesus had mentioned clearly in John 10:27 and 10:3 that Christians would surely follow Jesus. The possible interpetation for Luk 9:49 for him to mention that they were for us that it might be that they could assist us in bringing outsiders to the attention of Jesus Christ for our evangelism. However, they are not for Jesus since they do not follow Jesus since they would definitely follow Jesus if they are for Jesus.
    Indeed the people as mentioned in Luke 9:49-50 that could perform wonders in Jesus’s name were not God’s people or else Jesus should have included these people ont top of the twelve disciples. Or in other words, if these people that could perform wonders in Jesus’ name were God’s people, there would be more that twelve disciples instead of remaining to be twelve all the time during Jesus’ mission and it proves the fact that Jesus’ name could be abused to perform miracles. Or in other words, despite these people as mentioned in Luke 9:49-50 were not following Jesus and were not the disciples of Jesus, they could use Jesus’ name to perform wonders.

    CASTING OUT DEMONS MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY CAUSE ONE TO HAVE DISTURBED BY DEMONS AS MENTIONED IN ACTS 19:13-16:

    Matthew 17:15-16, “Lord have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.” Matthew 17:18-19, “And Jesus rebuked the devil and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, ‘Why could not we cast him out?’ ” Matthew 17:21, “Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” From these verses, it is obvious that the failure in casting out demons might not necessarily cause one to be disturbed by demons as that is mentioned in Luke 9:49-50.

    PROOF THAT ANGELS COULD PERFORM MIRACULOUS HEALING AND THERE ARE FALLEN ANGELS TOO:

    John 5:3-4, “In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.””

    From John 5:3-4, it shows that angels could heal various kinds of illnesses whether they are blinded, halt and withered. As angels could perform miraculous healings and there are so-called, fallen angels, it is irrational to jump into conclusion that certain illnesses be healed to be the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit since some wonders might be the work of angels and/or fallen angels.

    One might have quoted Luke 9:49-50 well that nobody should stop those people that perform miracles in Jesus’ name. However, he should meditate Matthew 7:22-23 carefully again that the so-called people to use Jesus’ name to perform wonders might be rejected by the Lord. For instance, if these people that are mentioned in Matthew 7:22-23 to use Jesus’ name to perform wonders are the work of God/Jesus Christ/the Holy Spirit, there should not be any strong ground for Jesus to reject them. However, Jesus will reject them despite they do perform wonders in Jesus’ name and there is a query the so-called wonders that they perform are from God. The following are the extracts:
    Matthew 7:22-23, “Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practise lawlessness!’

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    Charismatic people might argue that love and the so-called, gift, could exist side by side in Charismatic churches. They might argue that Charismatic people have more love than non-Charismatic people since their love extends even to every household since they exercise miraculous healings publicly so as many people could be healed from their illnesses. Not only that, they could even take that opportunity to preach to non-Christians through rallies. They could even condemn non-Charismatic churches since they are not so actively involved in preaching as compared to Charismatic churches.

    John Calvin spoke in tongues. Acts 2:8-10, “And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, Medes….” From the above verses, we know that tongues are indeed languages and/or dialects. Do you know whether John Calvin spoke in foreign languages and/or dialects? If you could not prove whether he spoke in languages and/or dialects, we could not ascertain whether John Calvin was speaking in tongues or he just speaks nonsensical words. Bear in mind, tongues in the book of Acts are languages/dialects. If a person speaks not in foreign languages/dialects, he simply speaks garbage and not in tongues.

    1 Corinthians 14;21, “in the law it is written, ‘With (men of) other tongues and other lips will I speak with this people and yet for all that will they not hear me’, saith the Lord.” As the phrase, other tongues, is mentioned in 1 Corinth 14:21 with the phrase, I speak with this people, it implies that tongues are definitely languages and/or dialects or else how God could converse with us then.

    1 Corinth 14:2, “for that speaketh in an (unknown) tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God, for no man understandeth (him)…”. For 1 Corinth 14:4, “He that speaketh in an (unknown) tongue edifieth himself…”. For instance, if tongues are not languages and/or dialects and it cannot be understood by the speaker, how the tongues could edify the speaker himself since 1 Corinth 14:4 mentions that tongues have to edify the speaker.

    1 Corinth 14:10, “There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them (is) without significant.” As the phrase, many kind of voices, is mentioned in 1 Corinth 14:10 with the phrase, the world, it definitely refers to languages and/or dialects in the world instead of outside the world, ie. alien language. McArthur claimed to have other tongues that could not be understood by human beings are not biblical.

    What if the so-called, tongues, in contemporary Charismatic churches are not from the work of the Holy Spirit, the comment that their tongues are from God or the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ would cause one to abuse the name of them and it in turn blasphemes any one of them.

    1 Corinth 14;14, “For if I pray in an (unknown) tongue pray that he may interpret”. The above verse demands a tongue spoker to pray for his understanding of tongues. 1 Corinth 14;37, “If any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord”. The phrase, the things that I write to you, in 1 Corinth 14:37 is in present tense and it implies that the words that Paul just delivered for his message to the Church of Corinthians is indeed God’s commandment and this includes 1 Corinth 14:14.

    1 Corinth 14:15, “What is it then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will pray with understanding also; I will sing with Spirit, and I will sing with understanding also.” For instance, the speaker could not understand the tongue, how could they sing and pray with understanding and this contradicts 1 Corinth 14:15.

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    HOLY LAUGHER, HOLY BARK, HOLY DRUNKARD & ETC.

     Holy Laughter, holy bark, holy drunkard and etc. are not found in the book of Acts during the Pentecost. Some Charismatic churches might use the word, leap, laugh, drunkard and etc. from the Old and New Testaments to support these movements. However, bear in mind that the word, leap, laugh, drunkard and etc. are mentioned instead of the full phrase of holy laughter, holy bark and etc. What if these practices are not from the work of the Holy Spirit, the insisting that these practices are from the work of Holy Spirit has caused one to abuse the name of the Holy Spirit and it would have grieved the Holy Spirit to accept the wrong saying that these are the work of them. However, the Holy Spirit does not do it. One has indeed blaspheme against the Holy Spirit by abusing the name of the Holy Spirit despite he does not do it. The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgivable according to the New Testament

    DEFINITION OF BLASPHEMY IN HEBREWS/GREEK

    blas’-fe-mi (blaphemia) in classical Greek and Hebrews means primarily ‘defamation’ or ‘evil-speaking’in general; ‘a word of evil omen’, hence, ‘impious, and irreverent speech against God’. The above is the extract pertaining to the meaning of blasphemy in Greek. Consider carefully about holy bark, holy laugher and etc. For instance, if these are not the work of Holy Spirit, the abusing the name of Holy Spirit by saying that these are the work of Holy Spirit is indeed delivery of irreverent speech against the Holy Spirit. For instance, if these are not the work of the Holy Spirit, the insisting that these should be directed from the work of the Holy Spirit might have abused the name of the Holy Spirit and caused defamation of its name and one might have in turn grieved the Holy Spirit since these might not be the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit might be ended up to bear the name for the doer of holy bark, holy laugher and etc. What if it has grieved the Holy Spirit by insisting that these are the work of the Holy Spirit, our ignorance has ultimately caused the ultimate abusing and/or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

    HEALINGS IN CONTEMPORARY CHARISMATIC CHURCHES

    In miraculous healings among Charismatic churches today, we could easily spot out that many sick will fall down before the healers lay hands on them. However, many sick would remain unhealed after the rally despite they did fall down before the healers, i.e. Pastors that perform miraculous healings. God is definitely powerful and can heal all kinds of sicknesses. However, there is a deficiency in the healings in contemporary Charismatic world. What if the wonders are not the work of the Holy Spirit, the commenting to abuse the name of the Holy Spirit that it is he that does the work might have grieved the Holy Spirit in case if these are not the work of the Holy Spirit and it ends up that one has abused the name of the Holy Spirit and has ultimately blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.

    ALL BLASPHEMIES WHETHER TOWARDS THE HOLY SPIRIT OR GOD OR JESUS CHRIST ARE TO BE CONSIDERED AS SINS

    Matthew 12:31-32, “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the BLASPHEMY AGAINST the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speak against a word the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever SPEAK AGAINST the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.” As the phrase, speak against the Holy Spirit, is mentioned in Matthew 12:31-32 with the phrase, blasphemy against the Spirit, it implies that a person blasphemes against the Holy Spirit even if he speaks against the Holy Spirit. The same for abusing the name of the Holy Spirit in which it might have grieved the Holy Spirit to accept the false saying what if the works are not from the Holy Spirit. The word, forgiven, is mentioned in Matthew 12:31-32 with the phrase, every sin & blasphemy, it implies that all blasphemies are to be considered as sin or else why we should need God’s forgiveness for the blasphemies. The same in abusing God’s or Jesus’ name to support their miracles are from God or Jesus respectively and these are the acts of blasphemies to be considered as sins too.

    THE  WELL-KNOWN VERSES IN MATTHEW 7:21-23

    Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practise lawlessness!”
    What are the elements could be found in these verses above? There are:
    1) They believe in Jesus Christ since Matthew 7:22, “(mentions that) Many will say to me..’LORD, LORD”. These people must have believed in Jesus Christ or else how they could call Jesus Christ to be their Lord as mentioned above then.
    2) These people could use Jesus’ name to perform miracles since Matthew 7:22, “(mentions that) Many…have..prophesied…in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name?”
    3) Will they be accepted by Jesus Christ? Matthew 7:23, “…I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from me”.

    THE PRIDE AMONG CONTEMPORARY CHURCHES FOR THEIR NON-REPENTANCE

    This is my general discovery upon Charismatic churches: Some Charismatic churches might not repent in order to do away their so-called, gift, in the churches due to they feel thieir reputations are most precious than the truth of the Bible and that causes them to persist in the practice. However, bear in mind that the insisting the so-called, gift, in their churches to be the work of the Holy Spirit might cause them to abuse the name of the Holy Spirit and that causes them ultimately to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit what if the miracles are not from the work the Holy Spirit. The act of insisting to defend their reputation more important than the truth of the Bible has indeed violated the great commandment of the Lord. For Matthew 22:37, “(mentions that) Jesus said to him, ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.” The act of having a high preference for their reputations rather that upholding the truth of the Bible implies that his love towards his own reputation is more significance than his love towards God.  For Matthew 22:37 has commanded us to put our love to God first instead of that has to be in replacement of our reputation.