I was going to write more about the direct training/cross-training thing today and show you the video I promised. However, I’m skipping over that for now... because... something happened to me yesterday that I want to get out while it’s fresh on my mind.
I think you’ll find it interesting and downright valuable to your business...
Here’s the story...
You would think that after giving presentations to Google, Microsoft and tens of thousands of entrepreneurs from all around the world, that giving a presentation locally to NINE people would be a cake walk.
Not so.
Yesterday (on short notice), I had to give a presentation that I was more nervous about than any other in previous memory. And when I tell you “who” I gave the presentation to, you may be a little shocked that I was so nervous...
It was a group of nine, FIVE-YEAR-OLDS!
Can you imagine. Here I am, a guy who’s received standing ovations from influential, important and sophisticated business people the world over... “shaking in my boots” at the thought of talking to some kids for just 15 to 30 minutes.
Seems absurd, doesn’t it?
On the surface, sure. However, I wasn’t giving a presentation to just any random group of kids. Nope. I was giving a presentation to my daughter’s class. And I had to tell them, or try to explain to them, “what” I do for a living.
Therein lies the rub. Lot of pressure there.
First of all, I, and many other direct response entrepreneurs, have a very hard time explaining to adults what we do for a living. And second, I didn’t want to say anything to embarrass my daughter... or... make anyone think less of her, in any way. And third, I wanted to say something that would—hopefully—be of some value to them.
It was stressful, to say the least.
In fact, I wasn’t sure what I was going to say until right up to the very last minute...
Then it hit me!
I’ll explain what I do through example. Example or demonstration being one the best ways to convey information... especially to kids.
So here’s what I did:
Actually, let me back up just a bit. On the way over to the school, I happened to be talking to Jay Abraham and asked him what he thought I should do. And he gave me this idea:
He said I should start my presentation by explaining to them that I’m like a cross of a book writer, Miley Cyrus (super-popular to pre-teen or “tween” girls) and Ms. Melissa (their teacher). That is, I write books like they read, I get up on stage and perform like Miley... and... I teach people like Ms. Melissa.
It seemed to register. So after that...
I had them take out a sheet of paper. Then I asked them if there was something they wanted that they didn’t have. A toy or something similar. Naturally, they ALL had something they wanted that they didn’t have.
So I asked them to tell me what that was. Then, I asked them to draw a picture of it. They did.
Then, I explained to them that, when you want something from someone (in their case, their parents)... or... when you ask someone to buy something for you, you need to give them a “reason why”, if they buy it for you, it will benefit them.
So, under the pictures, I had them write “how” their parents would benefit. Of course, I had to lead them a little in this exercise. For instance, one little girl wanted a teddy bear. So, I asked her, “Do you think having a teddy bear would help you fall asleep faster and please your parents?” She nodded, yes. So, I said, “Then draw a picture of a teddy bear and write that it will help you fall asleep faster.” Here’s her picture:

Another little girl wanted a turtle. So, I asked her, “Would a turtle help you learn how to take care of things better?” She said, “Yeah”. So I told her to draw a turtle and write down that it will help here learn how to take care of things better. Here’s her picture:

Pretty neat, huh? Check out the rest of them below...






Anyway, after I led each of the kids through this little exercise... I then explained to them that, what I do for a living is, I teach entrepreneurs and business owners how to sell more of their products and services by telling their customers how it will benefit them. I also explained that the business owners don’t get a “toy” or a “pet”, but they get money, which helps them live and provide for their families.
It’s the best I could come up with on short notice. But I think they at least, “sort of” understood what I do. If you want to download a PDF of all their pictures with benefits, I’ve included a link at the bottom of the page.
But before you do that...
I have an exercise for you (that’s somewhat similar) that I learned from Dan Kennedy many years ago. And if you take it seriously, it will help you create a very valuable reference tool for your business.
The Exercise -- Take a sheet of paper out and write the most detailed description you can of one of your favorite TV characters. Doesn’t matter who it is, just as long as you are very familiar with their show. Describe where he (or she, if you prefer) lives. How he dresses. His interests. His likes and dislikes. What he thinks about common subjects: money, sex, religion, politics, etc. And so on.
Next...
Go through the same process for your “ideal customer”. Then, if it’s easier to profile the TV character than your customer, you need to fix that. The reason being: the more “in tune” you are with your customer, the more value you’ll deliver to them... and... in return, the more value you’ll receive from them (translation: you’ll sell more!).
Also, another benefit of this exercise that's not so obvious is you may be able to ferret out the “hidden desires” of your ideal customer. This is important because it’s often the “hidden, non-obvious” benefits that bring a message home and flips a prospect to buying.
A great example from my buddy John Carlton: He writes ads that sell golf instruction videos. Well, almost any decent marketer—in that industry—knows that people really want to hit big-time drives. And that proves out. That is, “blasting the ball farther down the fairway” is the benefit that sells videos the most effectively.
However, one of the “hidden, non-obvious” benefits there, and a benefit men golfers really identify with is... “humiliating their friends” by out-driving them off the tee.
Now, you most likely wouldn’t know that unless you were really in tune with that market. It’s what John calls “getting hip to the market”... and... if you've ever read one of his golf ads... you know, that he knows, how to “get hip” to a market.
He did it by becoming a golfer and consumer of all things related. And that got him neck-deep in the lingo, attitudes, and zeitgeist of the golf crowd.... helping him understand both the obvious and non-obvious benefits that would move a golfer to buy.
So, if after doing the exercise above, you find your level of understanding of your ideal customer lacking... here are some tips for improving it:
Doing these things will give you a deeper understanding of your “ideal customer”... thus... improving your effectiveness when you deal with them in any and every way (another translation: you’ll have higher profits).
One more thing: I don’t know if my presentation helped my daughter’s class (being they are five), and, upon reflection, I’m not really sure if it was the right thing to do. Let me know what you think.
To Higher Profits,
Rich
P.S. Once you get a detailed and accurate description of your “ideal customer” on paper, laminate it and give it to everyone important to your business. Especially anyone that has anything to do with your marketing/advertising functions.
P.P.S. Here’s the link to download the kids’ pictures (with benefits):
Download Kids Ads To Parents PDF
Link to this post: If you found this page useful, consider linking to Shaking In My Boots ...
Hi Rich,
Nice Job on such short notice! I too have a hard time telling people what I do. But i cannot imagine trying to explain it to five year olds. Using experiences to clarify your presentation was a good idea. I had a bit of disconnect with your explanation, until I read it a second time. then I was able to understand what you were saying.
It took a little bit but i finally got it.
You were putting the kids in the role of the marketer, that is describing the benefit to the customer (the parent)
Ill have to try that next time someone asks me what I do.
To Your Success,
Michael Blaes
Well done for stepping outside your comfort zone (once again) Rich. :-) ~Shamir
I think this was an extraordinary creative way of making them understand what you do. I have to remember this for the future conversations with customers.
Rich,
Great insight on another Dan Kennedy concept I haven’t heard about. Your timing couldn’t have been more right on with this post.
Thanks,
Chris
Hi Rich
That sounds like it was a pretty intimidating presentation.
I think that was a great use of examples for the kids to follow
I myself had to read that part twice, Hannah Montana I understand middle girl watches her all the time.
Great work once again.
Gary
Children under the age of 7 are wonderful subjects to interview.
They have an opinion about everything sometimes a very funny and amusing opinion, but know what these litte gems are sometimes pure diamonds.
They are clear untainted we are allowed to see through a window into a world that we had forgotten.
“Unless you become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
Shirley V.
Rich that was brilliant. The one thing I know about children, they like to get involved. If you had tried to explain it in adult language and terms, they would have been bored to tears. The interaction will help them remember the lesson – not to mention it is now online for all to see.
And even if they don’t ‘get it’ now, I guarantee they will remember what they learned so when they do start working online, it will come back to them as their first internet training course, which they will use to their advantage. Mark my words, you will get feedback on this in about 15 years or so.
Rich,
Creating and communicating a USP or even telling people what we do for a living can be a challenge.
This exercise removes the intimidation and inserts simplicity.
If all internet marketers do this and make it theire business card it will never be forgotten.
Thanks!
Paul
Information Market Results
Hey Rich,
Well done mate. I’ve done a lot of work with kids and one of the lessons I’ve learned (and have since applied to my marketing) is how important it is to explain things as simply and as easy to understand as possible…and better still to make learning personal and experiential.
It doesn’t matter how young, old or intellectual we are, simple language and concepts are much more easily absorbed and keep us more interested and therefore engaged, which is exactly where we want our leads and customers to be.
I feel sorry for the parents though. You’ve lit a fire under these budding little marketers that is only going to burn a hole in their parent’s wallets over the many years to come! LOL
Cheers
James Thomas
Nice one Rich! Just what our kids need… more ammunition to get us to buy them stuff!
I’ll make sure to keep my 4-year old daughter away from you! ;)
Ed
Yeah, but then the next step is to teach her creative ways to earn what she wants! Now that she can express what it is that she wants and why you can problem solve with her on how to get it.
Congrats, Rich! Have long believed that a true ‘expert’ in any subject is one who can explain his/her field to 10-year-olds and have them understand it – because it takes a complete understanding of any subject to break it down that simply.
But 5-year-olds – wow, you ARE a brave man! ;)
Cheers,
Doug.
Rich Shefren Wrote: “One more thing: I don’t know if my presentation helped my daughter’s class (being they are five), and, upon reflection, I’m not really sure if it was the right thing to do. Let me know what you think.”
Hey Rich, When at Christmas time your daughter asks Santa for something, and tells him why it will benefit him giving it to her, you will know that your teaching rang through.
Coming from a retail management background, I constantly drilled it into my employees heads that they were not just selling a Cellphone, they were providing safety to a single woman coming home in the dark. They were not just selling a video camera, they were providing the opportunity to capture babies first step to new parents.
In a world filled with ads thats scream “buy my stuff” without the “why you need it”, you have given these kids a headstart to understanding something that even most adult internet marketers may already know, but for some reason still fail to implement.
So I think your presentation may result in a bunch of young successful entrepreneurs even before they hit high school ;).
Nice Story done well with purpose …… James
Rich… you highlighted a topic everyone should pay serious attention to — being able to define what we do in terms that absolutely anyone can understand… even 5-year-olds! And not to explain it in ways that insults their intelligence… it’s a fine line but one you obviously have found, and we all should!
Jeanne
http://www.goalsnaspirations.com
Rich,
A moment like that is priceless. This is the kind of stuff that I love to hear from you; deep, passionate and heartfelt. These are the stories I remember most. Thanks for sharing.
Rich,
Another amazing insight from you. I’ve got a 5 year old boy and even he can understand this. Reducing this concept to that level makes it just seem like “Why didn’t I think of this before?”. Great work and keep these great posts and insights coming like only you can!
Hi Rich,
Awesome stuff man. I think you did a great job explaining it to them. Funny thing, I was thinking what I would say to 5 year olds few days ago. My daughter is 5 and somehow this thought popped in my head.
Its funny how something so like that can be so stressful. If you think about it, to make your presentation, you didn’t have to write a sales letter, set up any jv’s, affiliate programs, etc.
Yet, it wasn’t an easy thing to do. It’s a tough audience. :)
Peter K.
a.k.a. The Polish guy
What a great lesson about marketing! Simple enough for a five-year-old to understand, but profound enough for adults to realize it’s exactly what they should be doing in their businesses.
Well done, Rich…
Rich,
Having taught kids from pre-school through university for a number of years, I have to tell you I loved reading this post. Not only was it sweet and delicious, but really clever. You instinctively understood how to communicate a complex subject to young minds…and that’s simply because you’re very good at distilling information down to its essence. That’s what you do with adults, and you do it so well. Yesterday you simply found the language to make complexity comprehensible to little ones. Great job.
As always.
Linda
Hi Rich,
Your dilemma is my business – I spend my time breaking business concepts down into terms that can be understood by kids ages 5 to 12.
I have kids of 5 understanding the notion of active vs passive income, and ways of adding value to make a “fair” profit vs using bullying tactics to make an “unfair” profit, and so on, in our Cash-Smart Kids program.
Mind you, I have had a lot longer to prepare my materials than you had!
We use stories to engage kids with the concepts, then discussion questions and activities to clarify and cement the ideas.
Then we give them real-world business ideas and get them taking action! There is nothing like experience to lock in that business knowledge.
Thank you for highlighting so well the difficulty that most people have in breaking down what they have learned into terms kids can grasp – and showing that it CAN be done! I will be pointing many, many people to this blog post!
Jenny Ford
http://www.cash-smart-kids.com
Blogging at: http://raisingentrepreneurs.org/blog
Bravo Jenny!
I took a look at your site and it seems very interesting.
It is very good to teach kids these things very early and i am glad somebody took action.
When I was in school I did not hear one word of this and I sort of doubt that it was even efficiently taught in the university business school I went to …
Best wishes
Hey Rich; Got your kid blog, you said
it, if you want to know that you got through,
do the blog. Anyone have Kid Blog 101.
Thanks Rich you strike gold in all kinds
of places.
I think you got it exactly right, man. You told them about what you do for a living accurately, with passion, and in terms they could relate to.
Had the teacher had any reservations about having someone in sales of any sort come to her class to speak to the kids, she wouldn’t have invited you, right?
Salesmanship is an art…and a valid one to teach our children. The world needs more gifted, ethical salespeople. They help people get what they want, and it’s a great way to make a living.
Speaking at “career day” is always a blast, whatever the age group.
Be Good,
Scot McKay
The Chick Whisperer Podcast
Hey Rich, in my opinion, the real beauty of the exercise is that you asked the kids what they wanted and why,allowing them to express themselves and their unique perceived needs and values, (communication) Nice survey too! Note how many wanted some form of reassurance before going to sleep.Also reinforced by them taking some action(participation) What a beautiful language and visual record the drawings are. Surely here is the stuff dreams are made of.
And yes a class of that age is more of a challenge to communicate with than any bootcamp! And don’t forget that children can be great teachers.
3 Cheers for everyone!
Joe
Hi Rich,
I admire your courage.
You’ve also pointed out a basic rule of thumb for dealing with any market. As adults, we tend to over-complicate things. Thank you for posting this concept in such a simple format.
Rich,
Showing those nine five year old children the importance
of communicating the “Benefits” is a blessing they will
never forget. And You even delivered the importance of
a picture in Ilustration. That’s powerful stuff and that was
good ground and in time great harvest comes from the
sharing. That kind of teaching really turns the light on.
Even now, it reminds me of finishing the book “The Magic
of Thinking Big” by David Schwartz, somewhat, as I’m
reflecting. Another Great Communication that shouts
well done and that’s a Champion’s Plate in 2008. Rich
You did it again and Thank You for the thoughts.
Can You imagine, some people have gone even through
High School and College and did not get it that simple
with understanding. “It’s the Benefits, the reason why”
people take action.
God Is Love, God Is Good, God Is One.
Be Blessed always…Peace!
Hi Rich,
Although my kids are grown (21 and 19) I can relate to your situation.
When my kids were your daughter’s age I was a Professional Musician and was put into the position of ‘performing’ for Career Day. Fortunately, all I had to do was take a guitar and do a sing-along.
I would like to say that the information I’ve received from you has really helped my list building. For the longest time my lists (I’m in many niches) seemed dead. The info I’ve received from you has helped me to get to know some of the people on my lists and has created a richer (no pun intended) experience for both them and me; not to mention a higher response rate to my offers.
I’m a lifetime subscriber. Keep it up and don’t stop.
Thank you very much
Paul
As a former school teacher I have to say bravo! You did something that few “non primary teachers” know what to do…get the kids involved and actively doing something to help them understand. It was also an ingenious way of getting things explained in a pleasant way :)
Real good Rich!
It’s easier to understand a concept
if you draw a picture of it. I’m sure the
5 year olds grasped the concept
immediately by using both the auditory
and visual stimuli you presented.
they were fortunate to have such
an excellent teacher!
The fact that you spent time with children is an impressive act in and of itself. Kudos to you. More people should consider doing the same.
Hey,
just do it like Tim Ferris! Tell them you are a drug dealer and they don’t bother you anymore ;-)
Hi Rich:
I think they got it. Kids are so smart, I am always amazed.
Enjoyed their artistic products very much.
I also learned that when stumped, Abraham will know what I should do.
You were great. Thanks. Magda
Great story Rich.
What exactly is it you do? LOL
Croz
Hey Rich,
I dare say that you could probably sell ketchup popsicles to a person wearing white gloves. Nice job! I’m sure the lesson sank in more than you realize. We could all learn a lot from the mind of a five year old.
Thanks
~D. Paul~
I dug (Digg) this! In every way…kids do keep things simple, see things simply because they don’t have the same degree of concern about the little social issues that adults worry about. What is, is. So, I’ve picked up from you another great idea to apply to internet marketing. Thanks!
I think I read all the post and not one said anything negative about your presentation, UNTIL now. It seems you had some second thoughts after since you questioned if it was the right thing.
I appreciate what you share with us but involving 5 years at the level you did should be something reserved to the parents if they felt it was appropriate. I have a lovely 6 year and noticed in this world, fast pace, that we are pushing our children to grow up faster. Why? Is it for their security, success and happiness? We as parents need to determine that. Time as shown that children today are more lost than ever. Maybe one reason is most really never had a childhood, forced to develope quickly. Children need to be children. They should not be worring about the troubles and the challenages of this world, definitely not at 5 or 12 yr old. Many times, myself included, we adults over explain things to our children; why, what’s the rush? give them a simple answer.
You started out right. Giving them an example how you help others is good. But the exercise was inappropriate. You think you got your point across, but maybe you just cultivated their inner selfish tendencies and desires. I could say more but wont.
Hello Warren,
I am glad that you have your own children and have a chance to learn from them. Do you know that your child is far more wiser than you imagine and to show them how adult’s world is functioning is very good and educating for them.
If you place a child from Estonia to English speaking world and that child is never exposed to Estonian language anymore, that child will speak very good English and also with local accent. LOL
With best regards, Virve
I agree what you say about their intelligence, but you miss my point. Did you make a happier child?
You grabbed me with the email and I read the whole story.
Not an easy thing to get me to do. Now I am even commenting. Showing them how to manipulate their parents is pure genius. (that is a bit ‘tongue in cheek’)
And you didn’t ask me to buy anything….I can help but look forward to what you will be actually selling me. (that is true)
My idea of “what Marketing is” has been expanded today.
Paul
Just wanted to make it clear..Joking aside. I think the presentation was an excellent thing to tell five year olds.
If you want something from someone make sure it benefits them to give it to you….
That is a simple and oft times forgotten truth of life.
Love, Friendship, Stuff, Money…
An employee should work to give value for the paycheck received. If you want paid, make sure it benefits your employer, or customer for that matter.
Nothing wrong with that lesson.
Paul
Yes, I remember when I was shaking too! My daughter who is now thirty and was 6 at the time when her Dad had to make known what he did. One point though, my grandkids this age know how to operate a computer, so why didn’t you show them your site?
Best Regards,
JB
Rich,
You did a fantastic job. I raised 10 Children. 4 of mine from a prev. marriage and I married a man with 6 from his prev. marriage. The oldest one 13 yrs old. I wish I could have had that kind of knowledge to help me raise them.
I think you did the very best thing for those 5 year olds. They learned a very valuable lesson at a very young age and I bet that most of them will never forget it.
I enjoyed the artwork very much. I think I will make a Framed Photo of them. They are so smart at that age. Please don’t ever second guess yourself if you did the right thing or not, because you did the right thing. Thank You. Lucille
I needed a reminder…. The power of example is the thing I need to do more . And that’s a very good example with the five year old children . You need to make your usp in the simplest, straight to the point way possible
Hi Rich,
I think you did great!
As Albert Einstein said:
“
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex… It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”
Also, what struck me about your story is that these five year olds know what they want. Many adults lose sight of what they want because they are too focused on what they don’t want.
I touch base on this in an article I wrote titled “Success Starts with Knowing What You Want”.
Success Starts with Knowing What You Want
Nickolove
Rich,
I have been trying to teach my 5-year-old about what I do for a while, and I think you have hit it on the head. While I do try to keep him away from marketing messages (no TV), I do want him to understand how to “sell” something to his parents or others. You definitely did a great job in your explanation of what you do and the benefits.
Thanks,
Jeff
Rich, nice email ‘hook’ – got me to read the rest here
You won’t believe how many adults have trouble explaining what
they do online to other adults, leave alone kids.
(And btw, explaining things to children is often much EASIER
because they don’t have any pre-conceived notions or biases
- and I’m talking even about SERIOUS things like life and
death, you’d be blown away by how philosophical and mature
kids with serious health conditions can be – I’ve learned
more from them and become a better person in the process!)
Anyway, to the point… in response to this ‘problem’, I
wrote a short report in the form of a Christmas greeting
that Internet entrepreneurs can give their special people to
explain what they do online. I first sold this in 2003, but
have given it away for a few years now. Your readers may
like it too – it’s at:
((dr mani – the link didn’t work – it sent people to a squeeze
page asking if the reader wanted to increase their income 5x))
Incidentally, I think what you did was superfluous. I’ve
never met a better ‘marketer’ who can ‘get the sale’ than
my 9 year old girl – and yes, that includes YOU! :)
All success
Dr.Mani
Hey Rich,
Yeah!!! Been there done that!
My daughter is a huge Miley fan and I never thought to explain things in that sense.
I have referred to myself as a “Rockstar” that doesn’t play an instrument but is learning piano.
My favorite explanation of what I do to folks that don’t get it is:
“I’m unemployed”
Let them stew on that while they look at my big house and extravagant lifestyle :)
Colin
Rich,
‘The Internet Marketing Manifesto’; ”The Missing Chapter’; ‘The Final Chapter’; are all great . . . so great in fact that I keep a printed copy of them on my desk.
None of them, in my opinion, is a colorful as ‘Kids Ads To Parents’, or has the same potential to change the world especially if parents will act upon the adverts that their kids give them.
What you demonstrate in this post, but don’t make explicit, is your ability to leverage your experience to create multiple ripples of attention.
Because the report is so different from ‘The Manifesto’ and its later chapters it keeps us on our toes so we don’t think “Oh just another of Schefren’s briefing reports.” I actually read your reports, but some people will see a report from someone who is successful, and skim it just to see if it contains anything they can clone.
You can’t clone the ‘Kids Ads To Parents’ report without looking like a complete ‘wuz’.
But the genius is that after facing your fears and coming up with a strategy to allay them and entertain the kids at the same time, you then got the kids to write you such an original hand-out.
Then you leveraged the handout through a blog post, thereby reinforcing your image as a) a savvy entrepreneur, and b) a man with time for his family. The second identity is one that people frequently assert as Internet marketers, but one that few demonstrate except with images of Clickbank accounts, Italian motor cars, and brash houses. You, however, demonstrate it through your story.
I was writing yesterday about the formula you gave us in ‘The Final Chapter’: Vision+Strength+Passion+Resources+Alliance Partners+Powerful Tactics+Action Plan=Success.
http://tiny.cc/SchefrensFinalChapter
Is leverage one of the set of activities you place under the heading ‘Powerful Tactics’, or do you think it deserves a separate heading?
Rich please enjoy your weekend with the family.
With warm regards,
BRAY
Great Job. Children are so cluey, and their attention span is short so the way you handled it was perfect. It made it fun for them as they got to think about what they wanted, and draw a picture, totally interactive, stimulating and they will remember you, in a good way. And that’s a plus for your daughter. Not to mention a mini size lesson in how to achieve goals.
Well done ! Lyn.
Rich
I was surprised to learn that 5 year old kids already write.
I was seven when I started to write and I wanted to use my left hand but I was not allowed to by the teacher. It was bad …
I think you did a good job with the kids.
Kids learn a lot and very easily until the age of 7 seven it seems.Then their learning gets slower for some reason. Dr Richard Bandler, the father of NLP, once said in a seminar: “you have three basic problems in your life 1) you were born 2) your parents and then the final 3) your teachers.”
Much can be done to make learning still easier for kids. Dr Glen Doman has written books on this subject “Teach your baby to read”, “Teach your baby math” among others. You can actually teach a kid to read in some 8 weeks with his method.
You can find more at : http://www.iahp.org. It is a non-profit organization so no sales pitch here.
BrainGym is a series of easy exercises which will put you in a better learning mode if you just do them before you start for a two-three minutes. You find a lot on the internet about it and I can also recommend dr Carla Hannaford’s book on it “Smart moves” where she explains how it works. She is a neuro surgeon.
You could say that BrainGym is a Western form of Qi Gong if that is of too much fluffy Yin Yang flower power stuff …
I was happy to see the post on teaching business principles to kids. Great.
I wish somebody had taught me that as kid. I am not even sure that it was taught properly in business university I went to …:)
Best wishes
Hi Rich, Thats so cool!
Thanks for sharing your real feelings :)
Cheers, Freda
Rich,
I read somewhere that the greatest irony in today’s world is that as everything becomes more complex we strive for more simplicity. This theme also comes out in many of the posts above.
Your post emphasizes again how we need to keep it simple (as your Manifesto did originally) – yet it can be so easy to forget. A nice reminder, and one that has most likely benefited your readers as much as the children you spoke to. I hope your daughter was proud … and will no doubt give you feedback on your performance!
Thanks for sharing.
Best wishes.
Neil
Hello Rich,
Thank you for the Sunday story. I love stories with the kids. They are very enlightening. My Children are grown up now 19 and 21, but when they were small – they were so much wiser.
I had a dream last night -talking to the kid (girl) who was 4 or 5 years old and we were discussing her point of view about life and about adults behaviour. She made a comment about one character. I had to ask her – what does she means. Her replay was that it is not important what adults say or do – it is important how adults do and say things :-)
So, I wrote my dream down and when I did open my email box and found your letter – I understood that in your story is a very deep meaning for all of us.
Best wishes, Virve
Hey Rich
this is very nice, GOOD JOB
That was a hell of a job that you did on short notice! You always do a good job because you’re good.
I am a science teacher at the 7th grade level, and I know what you mean about being on the spot when having to come up with a lesson fairly quickly.
Keep the good (and free stuff) coming.
Also, do you know of any one that does a training on how to upload an ebook onto my website for sale?
I heard it’s really simple, but I’ve found that nothing is simple if you don’t know the answer.
Hey Rich,
If I act like a five year old will you come and give a presentation to me? I’m really 44 years old but remember
well what it is like to be five! Great job Rich, my respect for you grows each day!
Sincerely,
Christo
I think you did a wonderful job explaining to the kids.
I agree with the importance of knowing your customer base.
Hi,Rich
Thank you very much for your sharing.From your story,it has proved that”Drawing is very useful and an easy way to express personal thinking especially the youngers.”
You created a new way to communicate with people.
Great.
Dr Tan
Hi Rich,
Thanks for sharing this lesson with us and doing it in a
rather impactive way.We can learn much through children.
Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Regards
Arthur
Hi Rich,
Great idea that you have shared with everyone. I kinda like the reference to John too. :-)
I really think you got ‘em thinking :-)
Another, great idea to get it to the masses… ;-) Good job.
Can’t say more… :-)
Ron
Rich,
Would be cool to do a followup and see how many got what they wanted!
Howard
Rich,..
This is amazing. So simple and to the point. No does it better than you.
Thank you for sharing,
Cha
The customer you have is the customer you work on. A satisfied customer will tell people about you and your business!
Have you ever asked a customer to recommend you to a friend of theirs? or just smile as they pay you and say….have a nice day.
Try it….it works!
Hi Rich,
This is a grate lesson for kids and adults, to get into the other person’s shoes, to see things from his side and to recognize his interests. This is not only the way to sell more, but actually an exercise in developing one’s EQ (Emotional intelligence).
Thanks for sharing.
Irit
Thanks for the thumbs-up on my site, Rolf – glad you liked it!
Teaching kids about money and business is certainly THE hot parenting issue of the new millennium.
Good luck with it!
Jenny
http://www.cash-smart-kids.com
Hello Rich, :)
That was a classic story, The thought of public speaking at any level is scary enough…for most of us, but the fact that kids managed to have you “Shakin in Your Boots” was priceless.
Beautiful little stories from the children too, being a mother of four, can relate to that quite well.
Out creating the next generation of sales people aye?? Great way to get them to think about what they want and the reason Why?? quite genius actually!
Thanks for sharing, Got a great mental picture of that, and a good laugh too. Thanks.
Dianne in NZ :)
I think what you did was perfect! I don’t think I would have the nerve to speak to my daughter’s class and I certainly think she might have a problem with it, (worried about what I might say to embarrass her haha), she is 13 afterall! LOL! Peer pressure at this age is almost unbearable just wait til your daughter gets here.
Hello, Rich : I am VERY busy on-line, but, I still took the time to read your post and ALL the posters here. I read it all intently (not skiming and skipping)
Because, I think, this 5-year kids topic is a VERY important one! Except, for Warren, all the posters here have got it wrong!
All your posters here simply fawn and doodle over ya, Rich, mindlessly, I might add!
Rich,you are in your 40’s (I think) and I am in my 50’s
and I can tell you, I know a thing or two more better than you and all your posters here, and that is that,
you do NOT teach or tell any 5-year olds the stuff you
told them…that is plain wrong!
You tell that stuff to kids 10 and older, and I can
write a book as to why that is to you and all your
poters by way of writing a book about it.
So, Rich…your musings about whether you did the
right thing telling this stuff to 5-year olds are
correct that they are NOT appropriate to that age!
By the way, Rich…what is more important is that
you should award those 9….5-year kids with stuffed
teddy bear, turtles, Disney’s Micky Mouse etc. etc.
as a reward for their beautiful drawings.
That will make them real happy and they will remember
you fondly and will become best of friends with your
own 5-year old daughter and their class-mate!
A win-win situation all around and VERY appropriate
for 5-year olds.
My guess is that, it will cost you about 100 bucks
for 9 pcs of stuffed teddy bears etc…etc. not a
problem for you Rich, as a man who own an Internet
company doing about 12 million per year in sales!
John, (previous poster),
I think you’re absolutely wrong! Rich isn’t attempting to provide 5 year olds with a lesson in marketing, he’s creatively informing his daughter’s class about how he earns his living.
In many ways I am a great admirer of Walt Disney’s innovation, however, I think the idea of buying kids Disney merchandise and other fluffy, squeaky pink stuff is the last thing these kids need.
The world really doesn’t need more and more container-ship loads of synthetic, plastic material from China designed with the specific purpose of ‘bribing’ westernized kids.
Bribery, and even even when thought of as ‘rewards’, can never be construed as constructive.
I don’t want to pull age rank on you here John, because I’m a lot older, and it would be parsimonious to pull the professional card and let on that I train adult and child psychiatrists, child psychologists, counselors and others in the family therapy skills they use every day in hospitals, community clinics, schools, and other public institutions.
Rich provided these children with something far more useful and memorable than a teddy bear.
BRAY
Hi Rich
Nice story. A couple of powerful lessons.
It is a great deal easier to build rapport with someone you know well. For a passionate business owner the excercise writing a description of a TV star and their ideal customer would be difficult because they don’t watch TV! It illustrates a really important point. I’m betting many readers had to stop and think which TV star they’d write about.
John Carlton is one of the legends of copywriting. Being the buyer, walking a mile in their shoes and having an intimate knowledge of them is a key to success.
Getting to know your customer is as easy as picking up the phone.
Warmly
Nic
Reasons Why advertising is very powerful recently in one of Mark Joyner’s sales letter he gave reasons why someone should buy the course He stated one reason followed it with an order link that said ‘Oh Mark I can’t wait to get started’ gave another reason again followed by a link ‘This is irresistible I’m in’ He did this four times in the letter.
This is fabUlous-love it love it love it. As a career and personal coach I do the ocassional pro bono day’s work in a girl’s school in the North of England to get the 17 year old’s thinking ahead about their careers at and post university. We look at how to actively manage their career, be successful and design the career and personal life they want as they venture off into the adult world. As part of this process I get them to do a self promotion exercise. WITHOUT FAIL the bit they struggle with is the “tell me, as your potential employer, why I should buy your services”. Now these are very bright young women and many of them are destined for Oxford or Cambridge University, and yet one of their biggest challenges is placing themsleves in the “purchaser’s” shoes. They get there in the end , but Rich – you are teaching this to 5 year olds in a way they can access this thiking.That in my book is just Fantastic. In Career terms, whether you are destined to be an entrepreneur or an employee- if you can’t sell your own needs and wants- you can’t sell anything.
Marie
England
Dear Rich
You did it perfectly!
The real motivation for ANY sale is “How will it benefit me?” Helping the kids (and customers)understand this simply helps them to search out the “Why” necessary for them to conclude a sale.
Great stuff
Pete
Now dat’s one brave dude.. :-)
Nice…
Rich, I love your story and the way you tell it on so many levels, not the least of which is the multi-layered marketing genius of it! It’s filled with valuable marketing lessons while being a really heart warming story about who you are and what’s important to you (outside of business).
Weaving in Jay Abraham’s advice so cleverly and casually, fantastic.
Guaranteed to involve and capture the imagination of any parent, teacher, entrepreneur or anyone who has ever been nervous before making a presentation.
Thanks for sharing your brilliance! We all learn by your example as well as the valuable information and insights you share.
Hi Rich:As i read the above comments,it struck me that most people felt in one way or another that you did a great job explaining to 5/6 year olds what you do. I agree with that sentament. Simple is what makes something Excellent. I believe,what ever a person sets out to do a task, needs first. to ask WHY? then What?then HOW? Will the task benefit all who are involved? For the negative side of the comments, of you teaching Young people Stuff they should not hear. I wonder when parents of todays youth plan to step up an start to teach their young about todays Realities.You asked them. They told you. Seems like that might be a good parental model.
Hi Rich,
I’ve been reading all your material down here in the South of Africa. Great stuff as always!! If it’s ok with you I would like to extend an invitation to Warren and John to join me on a trip to the Kruger National Park. I would like to leave them in the middle of the park in the dead of the night and test their musings to five year olds of another kind that are forced to grow up quickly and worry about the troubles and challenges of this world :-)
Hi Rich,
Your presentation whole-heartedly reminds me of the “Santa Claus” whereby “Tim Allen” has to explain to his son Charlies’ class about the nature of his work too. He successfully pulls the presentation off, even though the adults saw it all differently. Children like to convey their feelings/thoughts through art; so it was a good idea to approach the “career” thing the way you handled it.
Great exercise. I’m sure the kids loved it; and it provides real value to marketers.
Rich,
If you are as successful as you claim you are, how come you can’t issue a refund for over 3 weeks now(and this is since your office got the box back)?
The reason I decided to post a comment is because I’m getting really frustrated with how you/your office handle customer complains. I’ve opened a few tickets with your support (which they close quickly after replying with a promise to take care of this issue shortly), but still nothing. I even got a hold of Brian Johnson’s cell phone and left him a message… still nothing and no call back from him. My next step would be to ask my bank to charge back.
I am getting an impression you’re getting tons of refund requests… Prove me I’m wrong!
Mark
P.S. Here’s the transaction details:
12/21/07 2425477B5DEHR8321 STRATEGIC PROFITS 954-xxxxxxx FL $2,016.00
Hi Rich,
Judging from the response (the drawings) you got I’d say you made a good impression. It reminds me of an amazing transcript I read once where someone taught a class of Grade 3 students the concept of binary math in about 30 minutes – only by asking them questions!!! Even more amazing, nearly all of them remembered what it was when they were quizzed a week later. I think there are definitely unique ways to get through to kids, and by extension, our customers as well.
Superb! Gently and gracefully, you planted a subtle seed of tremendously valuable insight into human relations. Society would work much better if far more people grasped that simple principle. Bravo, sir!
I like the idea, and I bet you got more ot of it than the kids did! :oP
But I am sure it was of help to them too, I think too many people treat kids (and their customers) as if they are stupid, and wouldn’t understand, so they don’t bother trying to explain.
BTW I am really looking forward to the Home Study course arriving. -I’m Amped!
Well done for the ingenious presentiation with the children. I reckon kids can be more open minded that most adults. It will be very interesting to see where those same 9 youngsters end up in twenty years.
Thge exercise you put them throught seems simple but very very powerful. A great lesson to be learned, escpecially in this industry.
Thanks for sharing this experience.
Warmest regards