Rich's current Twitter status:hanging with my family thinking... I will never be as young as i am right now at this moment
I was going to write more about the direct training/cross-training thing today and show you the video I promised. However, I’m skipping over that for now... because... something happened to me yesterday that I want to get out while it’s fresh on my mind.
I think you’ll find it interesting and downright valuable to your business...
Here’s the story...
You would think that after giving presentations to Google, Microsoft and tens of thousands of entrepreneurs from all around the world, that giving a presentation locally to NINE people would be a cake walk.
Not so.
Yesterday (on short notice), I had to give a presentation that I was more nervous about than any other in previous memory. And when I tell you “who” I gave the presentation to, you may be a little shocked that I was so nervous...
It was a group of nine, FIVE-YEAR-OLDS!
Can you imagine. Here I am, a guy who’s received standing ovations from influential, important and sophisticated business people the world over... “shaking in my boots” at the thought of talking to some kids for just 15 to 30 minutes.
Seems absurd, doesn’t it?
On the surface, sure. However, I wasn’t giving a presentation to just any random group of kids. Nope. I was giving a presentation to my daughter’s class. And I had to tell them, or try to explain to them, “what” I do for a living.
Therein lies the rub. Lot of pressure there.
First of all, I, and many other direct response entrepreneurs, have a very hard time explaining to adults what we do for a living. And second, I didn’t want to say anything to embarrass my daughter... or... make anyone think less of her, in any way. And third, I wanted to say something that would—hopefully—be of some value to them.
It was stressful, to say the least.
In fact, I wasn’t sure what I was going to say until right up to the very last minute...
Then it hit me!
I’ll explain what I do through example. Example or demonstration being one the best ways to convey information... especially to kids.
So here’s what I did:
Actually, let me back up just a bit. On the way over to the school, I happened to be talking to Jay Abraham and asked him what he thought I should do. And he gave me this idea:
He said I should start my presentation by explaining to them that I’m like a cross of a book writer, Miley Cyrus (super-popular to pre-teen or “tween” girls) and Ms. Melissa (their teacher). That is, I write books like they read, I get up on stage and perform like Miley... and... I teach people like Ms. Melissa.
It seemed to register. So after that...
I had them take out a sheet of paper. Then I asked them if there was something they wanted that they didn’t have. A toy or something similar. Naturally, they ALL had something they wanted that they didn’t have.
So I asked them to tell me what that was. Then, I asked them to draw a picture of it. They did.
Then, I explained to them that, when you want something from someone (in their case, their parents)... or... when you ask someone to buy something for you, you need to give them a “reason why”, if they buy it for you, it will benefit them.
So, under the pictures, I had them write “how” their parents would benefit. Of course, I had to lead them a little in this exercise. For instance, one little girl wanted a teddy bear. So, I asked her, “Do you think having a teddy bear would help you fall asleep faster and please your parents?” She nodded, yes. So, I said, “Then draw a picture of a teddy bear and write that it will help you fall asleep faster.” Here’s her picture:

Another little girl wanted a turtle. So, I asked her, “Would a turtle help you learn how to take care of things better?” She said, “Yeah”. So I told her to draw a turtle and write down that it will help here learn how to take care of things better. Here’s her picture:

Pretty neat, huh? Check out the rest of them below...






Anyway, after I led each of the kids through this little exercise... I then explained to them that, what I do for a living is, I teach entrepreneurs and business owners how to sell more of their products and services by telling their customers how it will benefit them. I also explained that the business owners don’t get a “toy” or a “pet”, but they get money, which helps them live and provide for their families.
It’s the best I could come up with on short notice. But I think they at least, “sort of” understood what I do. If you want to download a PDF of all their pictures with benefits, I’ve included a link at the bottom of the page.
But before you do that...
I have an exercise for you (that’s somewhat similar) that I learned from Dan Kennedy many years ago. And if you take it seriously, it will help you create a very valuable reference tool for your business.
The Exercise -- Take a sheet of paper out and write the most detailed description you can of one of your favorite TV characters. Doesn’t matter who it is, just as long as you are very familiar with their show. Describe where he (or she, if you prefer) lives. How he dresses. His interests. His likes and dislikes. What he thinks about common subjects: money, sex, religion, politics, etc. And so on.
Next...
Go through the same process for your “ideal customer”. Then, if it’s easier to profile the TV character than your customer, you need to fix that. The reason being: the more “in tune” you are with your customer, the more value you’ll deliver to them... and... in return, the more value you’ll receive from them (translation: you’ll sell more!).
Also, another benefit of this exercise that's not so obvious is you may be able to ferret out the “hidden desires” of your ideal customer. This is important because it’s often the “hidden, non-obvious” benefits that bring a message home and flips a prospect to buying.
A great example from my buddy John Carlton: He writes ads that sell golf instruction videos. Well, almost any decent marketer—in that industry—knows that people really want to hit big-time drives. And that proves out. That is, “blasting the ball farther down the fairway” is the benefit that sells videos the most effectively.
However, one of the “hidden, non-obvious” benefits there, and a benefit men golfers really identify with is... “humiliating their friends” by out-driving them off the tee.
Now, you most likely wouldn’t know that unless you were really in tune with that market. It’s what John calls “getting hip to the market”... and... if you've ever read one of his golf ads... you know, that he knows, how to “get hip” to a market.
He did it by becoming a golfer and consumer of all things related. And that got him neck-deep in the lingo, attitudes, and zeitgeist of the golf crowd.... helping him understand both the obvious and non-obvious benefits that would move a golfer to buy.
So, if after doing the exercise above, you find your level of understanding of your ideal customer lacking... here are some tips for improving it:
Doing these things will give you a deeper understanding of your “ideal customer”... thus... improving your effectiveness when you deal with them in any and every way (another translation: you’ll have higher profits).
One more thing: I don’t know if my presentation helped my daughter’s class (being they are five), and, upon reflection, I’m not really sure if it was the right thing to do. Let me know what you think.
To Higher Profits,
Rich
P.S. Once you get a detailed and accurate description of your “ideal customer” on paper, laminate it and give it to everyone important to your business. Especially anyone that has anything to do with your marketing/advertising functions.
P.P.S. Here’s the link to download the kids’ pictures (with benefits):
Download Kids Ads To Parents PDF
Hi Rich,
Nice Job on such short notice! I too have a hard time telling people what I do. But i cannot imagine trying to explain it to five year olds. Using experiences to clarify your presentation was a good idea. I had a bit of disconnect with your explanation, until I read it a second time. then I was able to understand what you were saying.
It took a little bit but i finally got it.
You were putting the kids in the role of the marketer, that is describing the benefit to the customer (the parent)
Ill have to try that next time someone asks me what I do.
To Your Success,
Michael Blaes
Well done for stepping outside your comfort zone (once again) Rich.
~Shamir
I think this was an extraordinary creative way of making them understand what you do. I have to remember this for the future conversations with customers.
Rich,
Great insight on another Dan Kennedy concept I haven’t heard about. Your timing couldn’t have been more right on with this post.
Thanks,
Chris
Hi Rich
That sounds like it was a pretty intimidating presentation.
I think that was a great use of examples for the kids to follow
I myself had to read that part twice, Hannah Montana I understand middle girl watches her all the time.
Great work once again.
Gary
Children under the age of 7 are wonderful subjects to interview.
They have an opinion about everything sometimes a very funny and amusing opinion, but know what these litte gems are sometimes pure diamonds.
They are clear untainted we are allowed to see through a window into a world that we had forgotten.
“Unless you become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
Shirley V.
Rich that was brilliant. The one thing I know about children, they like to get involved. If you had tried to explain it in adult language and terms, they would have been bored to tears. The interaction will help them remember the lesson - not to mention it is now online for all to see.
And even if they don’t ‘get it’ now, I guarantee they will remember what they learned so when they do start working online, it will come back to them as their first internet training course, which they will use to their advantage. Mark my words, you will get feedback on this in about 15 years or so.
Rich,
Creating and communicating a USP or even telling people what we do for a living can be a challenge.
This exercise removes the intimidation and inserts simplicity.
If all internet marketers do this and make it theire business card it will never be forgotten.
Thanks!
Paul
Information Market Results
Hey Rich,
Well done mate. I’ve done a lot of work with kids and one of the lessons I’ve learned (and have since applied to my marketing) is how important it is to explain things as simply and as easy to understand as possible…and better still to make learning personal and experiential.
It doesn’t matter how young, old or intellectual we are, simple language and concepts are much more easily absorbed and keep us more interested and therefore engaged, which is exactly where we want our leads and customers to be.
I feel sorry for the parents though. You’ve lit a fire under these budding little marketers that is only going to burn a hole in their parent’s wallets over the many years to come! LOL
Cheers
James Thomas
Nice one Rich! Just what our kids need… more ammunition to get us to buy them stuff!
I’ll make sure to keep my 4-year old daughter away from you!
Ed
Yeah, but then the next step is to teach her creative ways to earn what she wants! Now that she can express what it is that she wants and why you can problem solve with her on how to get it.
Congrats, Rich! Have long believed that a true ‘expert’ in any subject is one who can explain his/her field to 10-year-olds and have them understand it - because it takes a complete understanding of any subject to break it down that simply.
But 5-year-olds - wow, you ARE a brave man!
Cheers,
Doug.
Rich Shefren Wrote: “One more thing: I don’t know if my presentation helped my daughter’s class (being they are five), and, upon reflection, I’m not really sure if it was the right thing to do. Let me know what you think.”
Hey Rich, When at Christmas time your daughter asks Santa for something, and tells him why it will benefit him giving it to her, you will know that your teaching rang through.
Coming from a retail management background, I constantly drilled it into my employees heads that they were not just selling a Cellphone, they were providing safety to a single woman coming home in the dark. They were not just selling a video camera, they were providing the opportunity to capture babies first step to new parents.
In a world filled with ads thats scream “buy my stuff” without the “why you need it”, you have given these kids a headstart to understanding something that even most adult internet marketers may already know, but for some reason still fail to implement.
So I think your presentation may result in a bunch of young successful entrepreneurs even before they hit high school ;).
Nice Story done well with purpose …… James
Rich… you highlighted a topic everyone should pay serious attention to — being able to define what we do in terms that absolutely anyone can understand… even 5-year-olds! And not to explain it in ways that insults their intelligence… it’s a fine line but one you obviously have found, and we all should!
Jeanne
http://www.goalsnaspirations.com
Rich,
A moment like that is priceless. This is the kind of stuff that I love to hear from you; deep, passionate and heartfelt. These are the stories I remember most. Thanks for sharing.
Rich,
Another amazing insight from you. I’ve got a 5 year old boy and even he can understand this. Reducing this concept to that level makes it just seem like “Why didn’t I think of this before?”. Great work and keep these great posts and insights coming like only you can!
Hi Rich,
Awesome stuff man. I think you did a great job explaining it to them. Funny thing, I was thinking what I would say to 5 year olds few days ago. My daughter is 5 and somehow this thought popped in my head.
Its funny how something so like that can be so stressful. If you think about it, to make your presentation, you didn’t have to write a sales letter, set up any jv’s, affiliate programs, etc.
Yet, it wasn’t an easy thing to do. It’s a tough audience.
Peter K.
a.k.a. The Polish guy
What a great lesson about marketing! Simple enough for a five-year-old to understand, but profound enough for adults to realize it’s exactly what they should be doing in their businesses.
Well done, Rich…
Rich,
Having taught kids from pre-school through university for a number of years, I have to tell you I loved reading this post. Not only was it sweet and delicious, but really clever. You instinctively understood how to communicate a complex subject to young minds…and that’s simply because you’re very good at distilling information down to its essence. That’s what you do with adults, and you do it so well. Yesterday you simply found the language to make complexity comprehensible to little ones. Great job.
As always.
Linda
Hi Rich,
Your dilemma is my business - I spend my time breaking business concepts down into terms that can be understood by kids ages 5 to 12.
I have kids of 5 understanding the notion of active vs passive income, and ways of adding value to make a “fair” profit vs using bullying tactics to make an “unfair” profit, and so on, in our Cash-Smart Kids program.
Mind you, I have had a lot longer to prepare my materials than you had!
We use stories to engage kids with the concepts, then discussion questions and activities to clarify and cement the ideas.
Then we give them real-world business ideas and get them taking action! There is nothing like experience to lock in that business knowledge.
Thank you for highlighting so well the difficulty that most people have in breaking down what they have learned into terms kids can grasp - and showing that it CAN be done! I will be pointing many, many people to this blog post!
Jenny Ford
www.cash-smart-kids.com
Blogging at: http://raisingentrepreneurs.org/blog
Bravo Jenny!
I took a look at your site and it seems very interesting.
It is very good to teach kids these things very early and i am glad somebody took action.
When I was in school I did not hear one word of this and I sort of doubt that it was even efficiently taught in the university business school I went to …
Best wishes
Hey Rich; Got your kid blog, you said
it, if you want to know that you got through,
do the blog. Anyone have Kid Blog 101.
Thanks Rich you strike gold in all kinds
of places.
I think you got it exactly right, man. You told them about what you do for a living accurately, with passion, and in terms they could relate to.
Had the teacher had any reservations about having someone in sales of any sort come to her class to speak to the kids, she wouldn’t have invited you, right?
Salesmanship is an art…and a valid one to teach our children. The world needs more gifted, ethical salespeople. They help people get what they want, and it’s a great way to make a living.
Speaking at “career day” is always a blast, whatever the age group.
Be Good,
Scot McKay
The Chick Whisperer Podcast
Hey Rich, in my opinion, the real beauty of the exercise is that you asked the kids what they wanted and why,allowing them to express themselves and their unique perceived needs and values, (communication) Nice survey too! Note how many wanted some form of reassurance before going to sleep.Also reinforced by them taking some action(participation) What a beautiful language and visual record the drawings are. Surely here is the stuff dreams are made of.
And yes a class of that age is more of a challenge to communicate with than any bootcamp! And don’t forget that children can be great teachers.
3 Cheers for everyone!
Joe
Hi Rich,
I admire your courage.
You’ve also pointed out a basic rule of thumb for dealing with any market. As adults, we tend to over-complicate things. Thank you for posting this concept in such a simple format.
Rich,
Showing those nine five year old children the importance
of communicating the “Benefits” is a blessing they will
never forget. And You even delivered the importance of
a picture in Ilustration. That’s powerful stuff and that was
good ground and in time great harvest comes from the
sharing. That kind of teaching really turns the light on.
Even now, it reminds me of finishing the book “The Magic
of Thinking Big” by David Schwartz, somewhat, as I’m
reflecting. Another Great Communication that shouts
well done and that’s a Champion’s Plate in 2008. Rich
You did it again and Thank You for the thoughts.
Can You imagine, some people have gone even through
High School and College and did not get it that simple
with understanding. “It’s the Benefits, the reason why”
people take action.
God Is Love, God Is Good, God Is One.
Be Blessed always…Peace!
Hi Rich,
Although my kids are grown (21 and 19) I can relate to your situation.
When my kids were your daughter’s age I was a Professional Musician and was put into the position of ‘performing’ for Career Day. Fortunately, all I had to do was take a guitar and do a sing-along.
I would like to say that the information I’ve received from you has really helped my list building. For the longest time my lists (I’m in many niches) seemed dead. The info I’ve received from you has helped me to get to know some of the people on my lists and has created a richer (no pun intended) experience for both them and me; not to mention a higher response rate to my offers.
I’m a lifetime subscriber. Keep it up and don’t stop.
Thank you very much
Paul
As a former school teacher I have to say bravo! You did something that few “non primary teachers” know what to do…get the kids involved and actively doing something to help them understand. It was also an ingenious way of getting things explained in a pleasant way
Real good Rich!
It’s easier to understand a concept
if you draw a picture of it. I’m sure the
5 year olds grasped the concept
immediately by using both the auditory
and visual stimuli you presented.
they were fortunate to have such
an excellent teacher!
The fact that you spent time with children is an impressive act in and of itself. Kudos to you. More people should consider doing the same.
Hey,
just do it like Tim Ferris! Tell them you are a drug dealer and they don’t bother you anymore
Hi Rich:
I think they got it. Kids are so smart, I am always amazed.
Enjoyed their artistic products very much.
I also learned that when stumped, Abraham will know what I should do.
You were great. Thanks. Magda
Great story Rich.
What exactly is it you do? LOL
Croz
Hey Rich,
I dare say that you could probably sell ketchup popsicles to a person wearing white gloves. Nice job! I’m sure the lesson sank in more than you realize. We could all learn a lot from the mind of a five year old.
Thanks
~D. Paul~
I dug (Digg) this! In every way…kids do keep things simple, see things simply because they don’t have the same degree of concern about the little social issues that adults worry about. What is, is. So, I’ve picked up from you another great idea to apply to internet marketing. Thanks!
I think I read all the post and not one said anything negative about your presentation, UNTIL now. It seems you had some second thoughts after since you questioned if it was the right thing.
I appreciate what you share with us but involving 5 years at the level you did should be something reserved to the parents if they felt it was appropriate. I have a lovely 6 year and noticed in this world, fast pace, that we are pushing our children to grow up faster. Why? Is it for their security, success and happiness? We as parents need to determine that. Time as shown that children today are more lost than ever. Maybe one reason is most really never had a childhood, forced to develope quickly. Children need to be children. They should not be worring about the troubles and the challenages of this world, definitely not at 5 or 12 yr old. Many times, myself included, we adults over explain things to our children; why, what’s the rush? give them a simple answer.
You started out right. Giving them an example how you help others is good. But the exercise was inappropriate. You think you got your point across, but maybe you just cultivated their inner selfish tendencies and desires. I could say more but wont.
Hello Warren,
I am glad that you have your own children and have a chance to learn from them. Do you know that your child is far more wiser than you imagine and to show them how adult’s world is functioning is very good and educating for them.
If you place a child from Estonia to English speaking world and that child is never exposed to Estonian language anymore, that child will speak very good English and also with local accent. LOL
With best regards, Virve
I agree what you say about their intelligence, but you miss my point. Did you make a happier child?
You grabbed me with the email and I read the whole story.
Not an easy thing to get me to do. Now I am even commenting. Showing them how to manipulate their parents is pure genius. (that is a bit ‘tongue in cheek’)
And you didn’t ask me to buy anything….I can help but look forward to what you will be actually selling me. (that is true)
My idea of “what Marketing is” has been expanded today.
Paul
Just wanted to make it clear..Joking aside. I think the presentation was an excellent thing to tell five year olds.
If you want something from someone make sure it benefits them to give it to you….
That is a simple and oft times forgotten truth of life.
Love, Friendship, Stuff, Money…
An employee should work to give value for the paycheck received. If you want paid, make sure it benefits your employer, or customer for that matter.
Nothing wrong with that lesson.
Paul
Yes, I remember when I was shaking too! My daughter who is now thirty and was 6 at the time when her Dad had to make known what he did. One point though, my grandkids this age know how to operate a computer, so why didn’t you show them your site?
Best Regards,
JB
Rich,
You did a fantastic job. I raised 10 Children. 4 of mine from a prev. marriage and I married a man with 6 from his prev. marriage. The oldest one 13 yrs old. I wish I could have had that kind of knowledge to help me raise them.
I think you did the very best thing for those 5 year olds. They learned a very valuable lesson at a very young age and I bet that most of them will never forget it.
I enjoyed the artwork very much. I think I will make a Framed Photo of them. They are so smart at that age. Please don’t ever second guess yourself if you did the right thing or not, because you did the right thing. Thank You. Lucille
I needed a reminder…. The power of example is the thing I need to do more . And that’s a very good example with the five year old children . You need to make your usp in the simplest, straight to the point way possible
Hi Rich,
I think you did great!
As Albert Einstein said:
“
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex… It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”
Also, what struck me about your story is that these five year olds know what they want. Many adults lose sight of what they want because they are too focused on what they don’t want.
I touch base on this in an article I wrote titled “Success Starts with Knowing What You Want”.
Success Starts with Knowing What You Want
Nickolove
Rich,
I have been trying to teach my 5-year-old about what I do for a while, and I think you have hit it on the head. While I do try to keep him away from marketing messages (no TV), I do want him to understand how to “sell” something to his parents or others. You definitely did a great job in your explanation of what you do and the benefits.
Thanks,
Jeff