In response to Dennis Tays post, dated Dec. 11

What can I say….I feel COMPELLED to respond to your post. It took courage to speak your mind so candidly and I applaud you for doing so….especially in a venue where the vast majority are posting praise and kudos.

I think you make a very good point though….that it takes MUCH more than a good idea or concept to achieve success, especially for newbies who don’t have the funding (and many other key elements) to become mavens in their markets. And like you, I would LOVE to see one of the already existing mavens step forward and offer THEMSELVES as well as their team of experts (free of charge) to assist those who not only have incredible ideas that could make a great deal of money, but which could provide REAL benefit to mankind and the planet…..and that the selection process NOT be based on who can create the most clever video!

I can understand Schefren’s reasoning to a point….that it’s a means of weeding out those who will take action from those who won’t……but it’s an imperfect system. I’m sure there are people out here who have INCREDIBLE ideas which could benefit the MANY rather than the FEW, but who, for one reason or another, aren’t able to come up with a video in the allotted time….just as I’m sure there are those who WILL come up with videos (maybe even the winning one!) but who don’t have anything of REAL VALUE to offer. Instead, they simply want to make a buck!

As for myself, I fall in the category of someone who has something I believe is genuinely INVALUABLE to offer….I’m talking about information that has the power to benefit virtually EVERY person on the planet (I know many of you might not believe it, but I’m talking about a proven “cure” for the common cold here, developed by a prominent allergy physician and comprised of ingredients that are inexpensive and readily available….and it REALLY WORKS!!). The trouble is, for a couple of reasons, I don’t have time RIGHT NOW to create a video, so I won’t be entering the contest….but I DEFINITELY have plans to share this information with the world, as well as every intention of actually DOING SO. I’ve even written directly to Rich with the details and asked him if he would be interested in helping me market it, however I didn’t receive a response. I’m willing to bet he never saw it….that it simply got lost in the sea of emails, blogs, etc he’s received since he released the “Attention Age Doctrine 2″.

So….like yourself…..I’m putting myself out there and inviting Rich and his team (or anyone else who might be SERIOUSLY interested) to partner up with me to bring this information to the world….in a way that will benefit EVERYONE!! For this information truly IS a gold mine, both in terms of its value to mankind in general, as well as the pocketbook of anyone who is willing to partner up with me on this. Now the only question is….will one of the so-called “gurus” step forward to help me market it POWERFULLY, or will I be left to my own devices to bring it to the world? Either way….it’s GOING to happen!

In terms of my response to Dennis Tays’ post, I feel the need to clarify something, lest my comments be misconstrued. Though I agree with some of the points Dennis made, I would NOT classify myself as someone who is looking for charity or a free handout. FAR FROM IT!! In fact, I’ve always been a VERY hard worker and more than willing to do whatever it takes to succeed on my own efforts….ask anyone who knows me!!

I also genuinely believe that we, as individuals, are the creators of virtually EVERYTHING in our lives, not to mention responsible for whatever we do….or don’t….create. I also concur with Rich in that anyone can be successful if they have a good plan and are willing to work hard.

The trouble is, how do you know if you have a good plan? There is SOOOO much information out there about how to succeed in the world of internet marketing, much of it conflicting. So how DO you sort the wheat from the chaff? Also, much of the information about how to succeed deals with selling information products that instruct others how to succeed selling information products….and so on. Of course, most of us agree that the entire tenor of marketing in general and internet marketing specifically is changing forevermore…..requiring new tactics to succeed….but we’re not entirely certain WHAT those new tactics should BE, which is why we count on “gurus” such as yourself, Rich, to guide us!

My question is: what happens if you have information that truly IS revolutionary….that virtually NO ONE ELSE HAS…..ANYWHERE!!! Furthermore, what if this information has the potential to impact virtually EVERYONE on the planet….in a POSITIVE way? Naturally, I want to SHARE this information with as many people as possible, however I’m not beyond admitting that I would also enjoy making some money here! I’m also smart enough to recognize, though, that the very nature of this information is likely to require specialized strategic planning….I just don’t know HOW to go about CREATING a strategic plan that is likely to accomplish BOTH of my goals. I AM DEFINITELY WILLING TO WORK AT IT THOUGH!!!

One last point of clarification: while I definitely believe in the concept of “paying it forward” (which is where I was coming from when I agreed that I’d like to see some of the existing mavens offer their services free of charge), I certainly did NOT mean to suggest that I think they should summarily hold the hand of those unwilling to do anything for themselves, until they achieve success. NOT AT ALL!! In truth, I have NO qualms whatsoever with “gurus” (or anyone else for that matter) charging for their valuable knowledge, and I am DEFINITELY willing to pay for quality coaching/instruction.

In fact, when I “put myself out there” in my previous post, inviting Rich and his team to partner up with me to bring the information I have to the world, I honestly WASN’T looking for or asking for a FREE handout! Rather, I was simply asking for some personalized attention and instruction for MY SPECIFIC INFORMATION and how to best market it….in part because I understand that the very nature of the information I have to offer is going to require strategic planning to properly disseminate, and in part because time constraints do not permit me to participate in the video contest. Even so, I would still love to be included for consideration in the “maven-making” process. At the very least, I would LOVE to learn a FRACTION of what you know Rich….and I AM willing to pay for it….so I WILL stay tuned!

I found Rich’s reply to those who posted disparaging comments here unnecessary.

(However, I completely understand how the urge to respond can be overwhelming when your blood is made to boil.)

Rich, you’re right. “You will never make everyone in your market happy.” Any attempt to do so probably is the surest path to failure.

It’s well enough that everything about Strategic Profits lays bare for all to see: A thriving business simply offers a win-win proposition that many find too good to refuse. Still, this business cannot provide value to everyone.

I don’t think dissenters here don’t “get it.”

Instead, they’re probably just frustrated (and possibly under some pressure, too) that their own unique win-win proposition is slow to blossom.

Truth is positive action cannot be forced. It must be purposeful. This also takes patience. In the interim enter frustration.

That said…

NOT EVEN A BUSINESS-IN-A-BOX CAN ALTER THIS DYNAMIC.

Click on my name. See for yourself.

I just wanted to point out in my above comment, I was using the Attention Age Doctrine as an example, not the point of my comment. For some reason, that part of my comment did not transfer, sorry.

Rich and others….have to add a small note. When someone complains- Lets call it personal responsibility….Its easy NOT to succeed when you are waiting for someone else to do it for you….makes it easy to have no responsibility (its not my fault….)

Behind every successful person on any stage is the hard work behind the scenes before they made it-they all started at zero sometime…..

Well done to rich for the quality of information he puts out (does he sleep?)

Paul
http://www.SEOTrainingLive.com/

Thanks for your comments Joymmor. To answer your question, my “request” for a partner was NOT about getting someone to do the work FOR me, nor about finding someone to just GIVE me the money, a list or simply opening doors for me….or anything like that! I suppose, in hindsight, I ought to have thought more carefully before posting in this blog, as even reading my own words after the fact, I can see how easily my intentions could have been misconstrued. I’ll have to be more careful in the future.

But believe me, I am NOT looking for a free ride here! Nor am I interested in staying “small and ignorant of the processes involved.” In fact, I’ve done my due diligence and put in a tremendous amount of effort over the past year trying to absorb and learn all I can about internet marketing in general, and I HAVE learned a LOT…including identifying my market niche, preparing sales copy…heck I’ve even written an entire BOOK on one of the subjects I plan to introduce. So I HAVE been doing the work to prepare for marketing it!

I’ve also gotten VERY confused in the process, as much of what I’ve studied doesn’t seem to apply to the kind of information I have to offer, all of which comes out of extensive research done by my husband, who is a very brilliant and innovative physician….and all of which will most DEFINITELY benefit a HUGE number of people….and if you want to know what REALLY drives me….it starts and ends with doing my part in making a DIFFERENCE in other people’s lives!!

Anyway, Rich’s Attention Age Doctrine 2 is the FIRST piece of internet marketing information that really RESONATED for me….which is why I’m here! Furthermore, I absolutely INTEND to follow through by signing up for his Business Growth System.

So believe me….I AM working on it, and I firmly believe that my goals WILL be achieved! In the meantime, I’ll just keep plugging away at it!

I was having a conversation with someone the other day about why celebrities who can afford a chocolate bar, or a cigarette lighter, would go and steal such objects and then get caught.

For the ATTENTION of course!

It seems like when the media is not covering someone, that person will go and do something stupid so that they become the topic of the day. (smart).

I predict that the same thing will happen online now too.

Marketers will start promoting products that at first glance will make people say what???

I mean, take for example this video …

https://paydotcom.com/r/35523/stoltingmediagroup/2397201/

Tell me what you think….

Dennis Tays, I strongly recommend you to read the book “How To Win Friends And Influence People” by Dale Carnegie.

How do you expect someone to help you when you go to him and give him a slap in the face?

Yo Dennis,

What you don’t realize is the net is once again the wild wild west. I have been working (or playing rather) on the web full-time (ok, working an hour or 2 a day) for 7 years.

The new web, Web2.0, has made it easier than ever before to get laser targeted traffic.

The key to the success of every guru out there can be 100% attributed to a burning desire to succeed and a critical element to success is a positive attitude.

Dennis, I am afraid that you will NEVER make it as an entrepreneur with your current attitude. I am not saying this to be mean, it’s simply the truth of the matter.

I have had folks like you in my training club (www.flyonthewallclub.com) and had to fire them as clients due to the negative energy.

Get your attitude set in a positive tone and be prepared to work your butt off initially while you learn things and then get your OWN systems and processes in place to achieve what the guru’s have achieved.

Ola Mister Rich!

In a previous post exchange you asked me to trust you… This is getting just a little bit hard when you make statements like:

“None of this is happening because I’m somehow better, or smarter, or better connected than you are.”

This is obviously not true. I write this post because it really gets under my skin when well connected experts starts talking about a product as if the product will do everything for you. It won’t, focused work and a strong, applicable network will and the product might help.

I have absolutely no doubt that the product you are gearing up to sell will be excellent stuff, just please sell it from “truth”… You are better at what you do than most, you are smarter than many in the online marketing field, and you most definitely are better connected, just look at your personal success history! You seem to be quite the formidable human! Rather state the facts, as you did in the start of Attention 2, you made it very clear that you achieved much in your life and use these achievements to grow a very successful business.

It is just that I work with people on the ground, in the townships of South Africa and there where they are, there just aint no ladders. People like you probably grew up in a very privileged house, where you possibly started your entrepreneurial journey from a very young age. This is something amazing, something to be proud of, rather state the fact, please do not try to make it sound “tacky”, as if anybody can achieve what you achieved “if they just buy your product” because this just aint true.

Thanks for awesome insights and looking forward to learning more.

Dennis

You are very lucky and extremely unlucky.

You are very lucky because, from what I can gather, you are in the USA. I am based in Turkey where

* Computers cost twice what they do in the States
* Connection speeds are awful and you pay through the nose for
bandwidth.
* I can’t sign up for Clickbank and Paypal has only just allowed
us to download money to our credit card.
* There are no internet marketing seminars

Am I complaining? Heck, no!
I just have to keep looking for workarounds and when I make money I will have a ready-made product for the billions of people who are in non-Clickbank/Paypal countries.

Why are you unlucky? Because you have everything you need available but your mindset will doom you to failure.

Danny Arrington,

Thanks for adding my video to the top 25. As you speculated, Santa will be launching http://www.ChristmasVideoFromSanta.com later today.

Martin

The Attention Age Doctrine is great for people who want to begin marketing ideas online. What would be truly revolutionary, and maybe a next step for Rich, would be to apply this concept to professional services (finance, insurance, etc.)

Many of these products are seen as commodities and since the service differential is not perceived by customers until they change agents or brokers, many of these products are sold just on price.

However, the Attention Age Doctrine applies to prospecting all the same. Sending direct mail or creating a website for your firm is great, but chances are it will probably not be read or visited by most prospects.

So it seems to me – the next (and maybe most profitable step) of applying these very same principles, would be to figure out how to apply them to financial/insurance services and market it to the brokers/agents themselves.

Dennis, Roy and all the others “singing the same song”

I have been posting in forums and blogs similar comments and mostly got labeled as “negative”.

Gurus would like to have us believe that “negative” comments are not healthy and we should just stay positive and keep buying their rehearsed and repackaged courses.

The revolution started already thanks to a few remaining credible and true Entrepreneurs like Jonathan Leger and Alok Jain who have come up with a script to do away with the old practice of Gurus having to pay the affiliates only one time commission for a sale while they keep building their lists exploiting the work of affiliates.

The script will now pay the affiliate for one time referral as many times as that particular referred customer buys. (Can be set for 1 year or more or even life time) Now that my friend is partnership not screwing the affiliate.
Anyways there is much to be said, so I created this Forum for to spread the word about similar ides and have a group of Entrepreneurs JV with each other not screw each other.
http://www.nicholasmancini.ws/Forum.html

Rich does provide value to his subscribers/customers and that shows genuine willingness to share after all no one expects to get everything for free. Personally I am up to $ 11,000 in purchases this year alone and there are still a few good days to shop. How much of that is gold and how much is Crapolla? You guys all know the answer.

Happy Holidays!

Hey Rich

I think I’m going to have to agree with the Dennis on this one. I can’t believe you would be so selfish to not give all your time, money, knowledge, and resources to aid in the success of EVERY unsuccessful marketer out there in the world today.

You easily have the influence to bring together all the big name “rip-off artists” – ahem… Gurus, to also donate every last ounce of their expertise for FREE. You could have a conference in let’s say… the Bahamas, and cough up the entire airfare for everyone who hasn’t yet turned a profit online due to *your* inability to give away your innermost marketing secrets. You even could call it “Newbie-Aid”.

Don’t get me wrong, you’re not the only one I have a major problem with in how you do business. The other day I was in a local retail outlet and they had the audacity to stop me at the doors as I was leaving. They told me that if I didn’t turn around and PAY for my cartload of merchandise, they would call the authorities. I can’t begin to tell you how furious I became.

I told them it wasn’t MY fault that I didn’t have an HDTV and Hi-Def DVD player at home, and that these toys for my kids weren’t going to just *magically* appear in their rooms. Those selfish a**holes have more than enough money, they should just give away everything to everybody who walks through their doors. Now that would be fair.

Oh, and Rich, for you to imply that those of us who aren’t successful are lazy and expect everything to be done for us… I’ll let you know this: *I* was the one who told my wife to turn this computer on – and *I* was the one who told her to sit down, read your blog to me, and type everything I’m saying right now! Yeah… it was all ME! For you to say those things is extremely uncalled for!

So I say to all my struggling brothers and sisters out there… let us come together and start “demanding” these gurus start giving us their most prized marketing secrets for FREE so that we can start charging people!

Hey Rich,

It’s great of you to ask Dennis Tays to read Atlas Shrugged!
But maybe Dennis just wants some specific charity… at this impoverished stage in his life.

After all, gurus seem to like the idea of “giving back to society”, perhaps he is jumping at it with more vigor than he could control, coming across like “demanding” for the unearned.

Take it easy. Such types are perhaps the silent majority of the market,… perhaps, I said. So, any charitable help could go a long way to influence extra mileage from your own business, who knows? :-)

Just a hunch, because when I see your free blog attracts more attention and interaction than your own members’ forum in the Business Growth System (which is a ghost town, as one put it)… I see your “free” strategy as apparently more effective and influential than your “paid” resources, which your own members are not even using.

What say you to this observation?

And the fact that a negative post could draw out so much “repressed energy” from other folks, like-minded or not, is lending strength that much opposing forces lie underneath what apparent calmness is on the surface.

And also your petition for putting an end to the guru’s way of deceptive marketing, that it could bring out close to one thousand agreements, does speak volume to the intensity of discontent as well.

People are sick of shelling out their money for nothing, for a bunch of wallet-emptying lickalicious promises.

So, if there’s already a general prevalent sentiment of discontent, which you already recognised, … why not look further into this issue?

Perhaps the Dennis-types may or may not want just a free handout. Or just a fish, to put it another way. But how to be self-sustaining. How to catch a fish for himself. How to be “just successful enough” to pay his own way in life.

To pay his own bills and not sink further into debts.

However, when your high-priced coaching materials (which are always manufactured to be perceived as supremely desirable) come out of the woodworks, they make your “as-yet-to-be-successful-prospects’” minds reel with deprivation, seeing how their pockets or wallets will be shrunk further, with no guarantee that this investment will be successful, should he go forward with it.

To go ahead with it would seem like a big gamble. He cannot afford to waste his time, even if the money can be refunded. Can he really launch himself into success, finally, with this superb coaching? With no personal track record of any success this far? How likely is success going to happen, with just this one last time investment of his money, time, and effort?

With the millions in this category of “unsuccessful types” coming on board the Internet, how might you want to, or be able to, help them get a foothold, in launching their life-sustaining entrepreneurial careers?

We are not referring to those capable types of people who already found success, and needed a little further boost, to take their successful careers up another level.

It’s about the people who haven’t made it yet online. The majority I guess. How to get them start earning, in a sustenable way.

That, would be a truly supremely awesome gift… Whether it comes as free, or with some costs affordable to them. But most importantly, not to suck the life-savings out of them.

At least, tell them explicitly, put out a big notice, saying your course is NOT FOR THOSE who are NOT currently running or owning any business.

NOT FOR THOSE who haven’t got any successful experience in running an online business yet.

Then there is less deception, as though it’s meant for everybody out there.

But then this would shrink your market size down a fair chunk won’t it. So, you’re in a bit of a dilemma here: To reach for only the successful types, or to include the “newbies” as well.

These are “noobies” generally not for their lack of information, or unuseable knowledge, but for their lack of experience in “success”. They are “new”, in the realm of online money-making success.

If all the gurus are interested in helping this large segmented group of “unsatisfied” market, what definitive solution is coming out?

Or are the gurus more interested in training this “unsuccessful noobie group” to be their own school of fish, for fattening up their own wallets? Keeping them swimming in circles forever.

A ghastly act indeed.

Rich, if I can put in a suggestion, just one, why not come out with a certified board of trainer coaches, who can take your teachings and impart them successfully to ever widening circles of their own influence or markets? It’s not unlike an educational system, where teachers are centrally trained and then spread out all over the map, governed by an organized bureaucracy, oops, more likely by organized business dynamics.

Of course it’s not going to neglect the slow learners, mentally crippled, handicapped minded individuals. They are as deserving as those physically handicapped who are thankfully getting much available help, offline.

The hidden class of unhelpables are perhaps these learning-disabled people, who may not even be aware they have these disabilities, for their slow in-take in learning, and in integrating new stuff into their career repertoire.

Or else what explains why the educational system always produce a class of cream that leave the rests in the dust? Is that the main intention? To create a lot of less successful individuals, to be the minions of the haughty cream of the crop, later in life?

Now this is not to attack the cream of the crop. They are as deserving as any lesser individuals, maybe more deserving so, because of their sublime qualities.
At least they can look after themselves, and society largely looks up to them.

However, the issue here is, what about the large group of undernoticed, unattended to, so-called drop-outs in school, in corporate life, in online business?

At least in the business realm, the second tiers can still do business and survive. But will these individuals be able to run a one-man operation and survive?

Rich, will your teachings reach them, and make them whole? Contributing to the betterment of mankind, in one big solid barrier-breaking punch?

Thats asking a lot, maybe. But I suspect there’s a very familiar correlation between online business failures and school failures. There could be a strong overlap here.
This could be the main clue, if you want to look at the root of the issue.

Maybe having a “business system”, as important as it is, might not even be able to help them. It goes deeper. If you were to research this out later, I would have done my part in pointing it out to you. You have the resources to tackle it. You have the petition to support you. And the idealism of an Atlas Not Shrugging.

Absolutely agree. Maybe people just like you and me can get together and I’m sure between us all we will have just as good a chance as the big guys.

Yes.. they did get in when the going was very good. Yes.. it’s a lot harder now they have a foothold on the market,and email lists to die for.

But is it impossible to join them?

I don’t think so. It just requires thinking outside the square, and if that means people who we have never met contributuing their skills for the benefit of the whole, then I say go for it. I’m sure there’s those who are reading this blog right now who have all the skills you need to launch a product and make it really succesful. We all know HOW to do it, it’s just a matter of a lot of us just don’t have the reasources available to us like the big guns have.

Impossible No.

I’m not a marketing guru, but I can say this, I have gone the route you have mentioned and also have come up empty handed. But I believe that it is the lack of knowledge that I possessed at the time before I first started reading about Rich.

I have read the Manifesto, and the Doctrine 2 and I must say that it has opened my eyes to many things. Once I had no clue, now at least, I am armed with more knowledge to make better informed decissions. So all is not losted.

Though I am a bit apprehensive about trying any of the information I have read, I feel it’s only because of the “niche” so to speak, that I have been called to follow.

A few years back I ended up in a 4 x 6 prison cell, with no place to go but within. And in my search God struck me down and gave me only one choice. Get Up!! and Follow Me!!.

Now I find myself here, in my first post to this blog, learning how to successfully run a future sucessful ministry, so I in turn can provide a better future for those in need.

I have learned so far, just by reading the many comments on this particular section of Rich’s Blog, that there are truly many like-minded people willing to step out in faith to help you and many others. Call it destiny, Cal it Fate, call it what you will, but I feel if you stay around long enough your hard shell will finally be craked and you will see the light that is being guided before us.

May the Lord Richly Bless you and in every endeavor you partake of that will glorify His Kingdom.
Tim

PT Barnum never said “there’s a sucker born every minute” … if you’re going to quote someone, for goodness sake, please quote him or her correctly. (check out what Wikipedia has to say about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute)

If you had left an url or an e-mail, I think you would have received genuine offers of assistance.

A classroom of 40 students studying the same subject of Mathematics, taught by the same teacher.

At the end of the year, out of the 40 students, some pass the exam with flying colors, most having average grades, while some failed.

This same scenario keep repeating itself, year after year.

For those who failed, was the teacher lousy? Were the teaching materials bad? Was the classroom environment not conducive? Was the subject too difficult? In actual facts, these are the reasons always given by these students every time. They blame everything else except themselves for the failure.

When you asked those students who passed with flying colors their secrets to success, the different is, they took 100% responsibility to their success. If the teacher did not teach well, they took extra time to consult other teachers. If the teaching materials were lousy, they went to library to get their own study materials. If the classroom environment was not conducive, they make sure they concentrate hard in class. If the subject too difficult, they spent more time to make sure they understand.

Same teacher, same subject, same classroom, same materials, different results.

The only different is, the students. Those who blames others, and those who blame themselves.

Food for thoughts..

Albert Lee

I can see that several people who have posted comments here are of the mistaken belief that I’m asking for handouts. The truth is, no one has all of the talents and abilities that it takes to create, develop, and grow a successful Internet business.

Some people are good at research, some writing, some web-page development, some SEO, some marketing, etc, but no one is an expert in all of these areas, and today you have to be an expert in all of these areas to make it.

Sure, you can take the time, energy, effort and money to attempt to learn all of these things and apply them. But, in todays world, as fast as you learn one thing and attempt to apply it, then move onto the next aspect, eveything has changed and you have to start all over again.

Even if this weren’t true, why would you attempt to spend a great deal of time, energy, effort and money learning and attempting to do things that you don’t have the skills and talents to perform at the level that these things need to be preformed at to be successful?

In other words, doesn’t it make more sense to partner up with people who possess the skills and talents that you don’t possess? And it’s not just the talents one possess, but it’s also the particular station in life that someone else is at, that you are not at, that will take you years too get to. Does it make more sense to attempt to spend time and money building certain things when someone you could partner with already has those things developed and running? And again, people misunderstand this as well, as I never suggested that I, nor anyone else, would be just taking without contributing something in return.

Sure people can be selfish and self-centered and say, “I created mine, and I don’t give a damn about you, go out and create your own.” Aren’t they cutting their noses off to spite their own faces? Look at projects like traveling to Mars, the US knows that the best way to do this is via cooperation, not telling smaller, “less developed” countries they aren’t invited to participate and benefit in what we already have.

All I’m trying to say is, that in today’s world, it takes cooperation to be really successful, especially if you want to do it quicker, more efficiently, and more effectively. So why wouldn’t the gurus want to work with “less developed” individuals to make newer, bigger, and more meaningful projects a reality? The only reason is, they can’t see beyond the end of their noses. They only want to cooperate with their guru buddies. Why is that?

It just blows my mind that people can’t see this, aren’t concerned, and don’t expect more for their hard earned money. As long as the peddlers drop some crumbs the buying public is happy, even though those crumbs cost them dearly, and accomplish little in return.

So again, no one is asking for something for nothing. I’m asking why no guru, especially the guy who claims he’s the guru to the gurus, isn’t doing more to really work with their customers and help them to be successful in the areas where they could really be of help, not just peddling products and giving out crumbs of free information with no meaningful feeling behind it other than to sell you something?

Is everyone that brain dead that they feel that these gurus are really doing all that they could be doing for their customers? What if you bought knocked down furniture and it came with some of the parts missing, incomplete directions on how to put it together, no customer service help etc. Would you feel like you got your money’s worth?

Some of the people who commented got it when they said that they knew that none of the gurus would see the benefit in working with their clients, and therefore, we should cooperate with one another and beat them at their own game.

What a great program. I can’t believe the amount ot great content that is included in the program.

A brilliant platform !